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skyfire1
05-17-2005, 10:42 PM
it would be very helpful if i knew japanese because then i could translate japanese roms. could anybody give me any sites or resources that would teach me japanese? any help appreciated.

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JCJones86
05-17-2005, 11:19 PM
> i would be very helpful if i knew japanese because then i
> could translate japanese roms. could anybody give me any
> sites or resources that would teach me japanese? any help
> appreciated.

It's far beyond a tutorial, my friend. I struggled to get through this past year of Japanese classes, and my proficiency is close to that of a kindergartener. Not to mention, kanji are incredibly difficult to use without guided instruction.

However, if you're that enthused to learn, I suggest an evening course at your local community college.

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skyfire1
05-17-2005, 11:35 PM
yes i have heard that it is a very difficult language. is there any online courses that are free?

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MooglyGuy
05-17-2005, 11:36 PM
> is there any online courses that are free?

Unfortuantely, there are not. You might want to invest in learning proper English before moving on to Japanese.

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skyfire1
05-17-2005, 11:40 PM
> Unfortuantely, there are not. You might want to invest in
> learning proper English before moving on to Japanese.
>
so it's impossible to learn japanese online?

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Ugly Joe
05-18-2005, 12:25 AM
> it would be very helpful if i knew japanese because then i
> could translate japanese roms. could anybody give me any
> sites or resources that would teach me japanese? any help
> appreciated.
>

Step 1, Google for a list of all the kana (hiragana, katakana). Memorize them.

Step 2, if you haven't given up, go buy a book and learn grammar.

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hcs
05-18-2005, 12:47 AM
> Step 1, Google for a list of all the kana (hiragana, katakana). Memorize them.
> Step 2, if you haven't given up, go buy a book and learn grammar.

Ah, the old "AI connected to the Internet learns a language" method...

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JCJones86
05-18-2005, 03:00 AM
> Unfortuantely <-- Caught ya!

>, there are not. You might want to invest in
> learning proper English before moving on to Japanese.

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JCJones86
05-18-2005, 03:06 AM
> so it's impossible to learn japanese online?

I've never heard of anybody actually doing so, but I haven't heard otherwise either. The problem is you won't read and write effectively until you speak and listen effectively. That is no small task, and much less so for a non-interactive website aimed towards businessmen learning a few phrases before heading to Japan for some important business meeting...

The only way I learned how to communicate and understand written and spoken dialect well was to practice speaking with my instructor and classmates. It's just like in English... You don't think of how you're going to conjugate a verb before speaking, do you? Neither would you do so when writing. Effective communication in any language begins with practice in communicating with someone else. And more so, it helps in this manner to have guidance to keep you on task and correct you when you're mistaken.

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Ugly Joe
05-18-2005, 03:36 AM
Okay, back from my classes so I have access to my bookmarks. Of course there are places online for you to learn Japanese. The problem is that it is very difficult and you are much better off taking courses for it or getting a good textbook/workbook and sticking to a strict learning regime. The key to learning the basics is repetition.

Having said that, here's a bunch of links. Some are more useful than others for learning, and others are really good reference tools:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/jwb/j-e/dict
http://www.fontgraphic.com/jfsm_beta.html
http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/jedi
http://www.geocities.jp/nihongoguide/
http://syakazuka.mydns.to/contents_eng/datas/data_00.html
http://www.japanese-kanji.org/
http://www.kanjistep.com/index.html
http://www.j-talk.com/nihongo/index.php#output
http://papillon.ex.nii.ac.jp:8998/aaaa/
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html

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MooglyGuy
05-18-2005, 04:11 AM
> > Unfortuantely , there are not. You might want to invest
> in
> > learning proper English before moving on to Japanese.

Holtz's theorem: When you attempt to point out a spelling error, you will make an error, unless you are someone pointing out an error in the original error point-out.

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JCJones86
05-18-2005, 04:35 AM
> Holtz's theorem: When you attempt to point out a spelling
> error, you will make an error, unless you are someone
> pointing out an error in the original error point-out.

Can't you just take one for the team, ONCE?! <img src=smilies/banghead.gif>

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ToneE040
05-19-2005, 12:07 AM
Okay buddy, here's the thing. Many people aren't aware of the concept of just.. learning languages. There are many courses available in many different forms that teach you grammar concepts and vocabulary in completely unordered fashion. Even if they seem ordered.

I strongly recommend that you read "How To Learn Any Language" by Barry Farber. This guy learned roughly 25 langauges to the point where he can use them as easily as english(his native tongue) for the most part. It's unlikely that you can fully learn a langauge but this guy can tell you everything to it. Trust me he knows how to learn the amount a college student can learn in 4 years only within 1 year. But it is quite a project.

My understanding of it is that learning a language is like building a pyramid. You simply must start with the very basics and master them. I see someone here said something along the lines of "repetition is the key to learning."

A better way to phrase it is using the word "drilling" rather than "repetition." Please do not confuse the two if you want to be time efficient. Good luck! <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

> it would be very helpful if i knew japanese because then i
> could translate japanese roms. could anybody give me any
> sites or resources that would teach me japanese? any help
> appreciated.
>


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skyfire1
05-26-2005, 09:47 PM
thanks guys, for the all of the links and suggestions.
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<P ID=&quot;signature&quot;>it's not the words that i say that are random, it's the meanings.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by skyfire1 on 05/26/05 04:49 PM.</FONT></P>
Danoz
05-30-2005, 04:58 PM
Hey thanks for that book suggestion, I'll check Borders for it today. I'm learning Japanese, I did a lot of self-teaching that ended up having to be relearned (that and I had a high school teacher that really didn't have the knowledge required to teach a language). To the initial poster: take a class with a native speaker or somebody FLUENT. Your professor shouldn't have to look up words and the proper inflection/speed should be present. Oh, and second, if ROMhacking is your only reason for wanting to learn Japanese, shut out the window and forget about it :).

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taloon
06-21-2005, 02:47 PM
> it would be very helpful if i knew japanese because then i
> could translate japanese roms. could anybody give me any
> sites or resources that would teach me japanese? any help
> appreciated.
>

I got lucky and my highschool offered it. I took 4 years. You may want to consider getting some cds or talking with some japanese people. You may find that if you start off with hiragana or katakana charts your pronounciation will be off. That's how it was for me.