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SamIAm
01-20-2003, 09:40 PM
When I was junior in high school last year, I started taking a Japanese language class at the University of Montana through a special program. I got college credit for it, as well as a chance to escape the extremely confined world of high school every day. Since then, Japanese has become my universe. It is the first and only time in my life that I've genuinely been excited to study and learn about something, at least over a long period of time. I have no doubt that Japanese will be an integral part of the rest of my life. Nothing is more important to me right now, or ever has been.

So it would make sense that I also took Japanese at the beginning of this year, my senior year of high school. I took German at UM as well, just to try it out. Needless to say, I became even more detached from high school than I already was. I've signed up to take both Japanese and German again for the coming 2nd semester. After that, I'll become of full time student of UM, majoring in Japanese, which has a strong program here.

This is my dilemma: Ever since I was a little kid, I've been told that a trust fund, which was created by my late grandfather, would pay for college entirely, for almost any school other than the ivy leagues. Yet as the economy continues to sway, the stock-based trust keeps going down. At this point, it's low enough that my mom, the overseer of the trust, has declared that she will not use any money from it until it goes back up. Combine that with the fact that I just moved out of my mom's house and into a place with my dad, whom she hates, and it means that I just went from having college paid for 100% to having absolutely nothing. My mom called me a couple days ago and told me that regardless of what happens to the trust's value, I will not receive any of it until she is dead. She did the same thing to my brother and sister, and they're both really struggling to get through college now. And by the way, my dad and I are broke.

There is a solution to this problem, but I have mixed feelings about it, and I want to know what anyone here thinks. The path I'm on right now will lead me to overwhelming college debt. The only way to stifle that is to start working, and put money in the bank. I'm fine with work, but with as many classes as I have to take in a day, along with many hours of daily homework, I don't think I could handle a job right now. This might sound lazy to some of you, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. However, it has come to my attention that UM will let just about anybody in, even if they only have a GED, so long as they are from in state. I could get a GED in a pinch, and I also have enough credits at the U to be a sophomore already. I could skip out of the rest of high school and slide into the university with no problem. Getting in is not the issue at all; instead, my mother and high school counselor keep insisting that having a GED will come back to bite me after I graduate from college. I argue that it won't matter as long as I have a college degree, especially considering that I have straight A's so far.

So my choices are: Stay in high school, get my diploma, and pray for divine financial intervention.
or
Get the GED, and get to work. Working for 1 extra semester won't end all of my money problems, but it will help out a lot. I have to pay for the classes I am taking right now. I'll remain in my UM classes either way. I'd also like to add that my high school GPA sucks, because I fucking hate high school like nothing else. I could create a whole thread about that. It's not like dropping out would have me losing a great high school transcript or anything. Dropping out is what I personally want to do at the moment.

So yeah, will having a GED ever hurt me when I apply for jobs, even with a good college degree? I'm eager to hear anyone's thoughts.




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SwampGas
01-20-2003, 10:27 PM
talk to your guidance counselor and your college advisors...they will help you.

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SamIAm
01-20-2003, 10:49 PM
> talk to your guidance counselor and your college
> advisors...they will help you.
>
I have done so already...at the university, the attitude is that nobody cares about anything except your college transcript. Having a GED won't affect my chances for scholarships or study abroad opportunities one bit, either. The people in the admissions office aren't excited about students with GEDs, but they let them in all the time, and I have tons of college credit with a high GPA already.

High school is the only source of my confusion. I have almost all of my teachers telling me that getting a GED would actually be a good thing for me, and that I don't belong in high school. Only my counselor says to stay, and not once has she or anyone in that high school administration EVER approved of someone dropping out.

And of course my mom, who I don't undertstand at all, also wants me to stay, but I don't think she understands how easily I can go into the university. Not to mention, I have talked with some people who have taken the GED and gone through college, and have had no trouble getting jobs due to not having a high school degree. I've almost commited myself entirely to dropping high school, and I only posted this to see if anyone has any objections justified by their own experiences, or maybe of someone they know.


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WhyteKnight
01-21-2003, 02:47 AM
I have a GED. I quit school half way through my 11th grade year, because for one thing, I was not learning anything new. We didn't have any special programs for things like what you've gotten into, and all I was left with was useless and moronic information that I would never really need to use in practical application. That is the reason I made that decision. I went in to the GED program over the course of several weeks, testing without studying at all, and recieved the highest scores in my state, which scored at the university level. I won't say I made much of myself during the time that I was out of school because I didn't. I was basically a do-nothing for the next year or so. I then was able to get a job as a computer technician based on self-taught knowledge, and I have gone on to take some computer related courses at the college level and I am currently an A+ certified tech, with plans to go further. When you've gone to college, done well, and are in the workplace doing your job, not one person who matters is going to give a flying monkey's red, bare ass of a damn what you did to get where you are. The point will be that you're there. If you feel that a GED is right for you, then do what you need to do.

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SamIAm
01-21-2003, 03:11 PM
> I have a GED.
Thank you very much for your reply. It's good to hear from someone who has done what I want to do. What you said goes along with what I've been thinking very well.

I went in to talk with my high school counselor again today. She admits that getting into the university won't be a problem for me, but she still insists that having a GED, even with a complete BA with honors, is still highly inferior and will prevent me from even getting a job. What's your take on that?
I personally think she's just spent too much time dealing with people who stop at the GED. Yeah, they probably have trouble, but can you honestly tell me that a company will say:
"Hmm. This guy has a full undergrad degree, majoring in Japanese as well as speaking it fluently, and graduating with a GPA of 3.8....but he has a GED, so we better not hire him."

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Paladyn
01-21-2003, 03:23 PM
> "Hmm. This guy has a full undergrad degree, majoring in
> Japanese as well as speaking it fluently, and graduating
> with a GPA of 3.8....but he has a GED, so we better not hire
> him."

Bullshit. Companies look for work experience primarily. If there isn't alot applicable, they'll look at your college record. If you can do the job well, nobody will care if you have a GED or a "real" diploma.


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maq112k2
01-21-2003, 04:46 PM
> "Hmm. This guy has a full undergrad degree, majoring in
> Japanese as well as speaking it fluently, and graduating
> with a GPA of 3.8....but he has a GED, so we better not hire
> him."

Hmm... highly doubtful... my cousin learned Japanese, and now she works for a car company (I can't remember which one off the top of my head) in Japan for foreign relations, and makes hella lota money. :D

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shawn
01-21-2003, 06:53 PM
> In the movie Never Been Kissed, where Drew Barrymore goes
> back to high school


I love that movie, I actually got a little teary eyed when they kissed at the end of the movie. <img src=smilies/liefde.gif>

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SamIAm
01-22-2003, 07:33 AM
Thanks for the replies, everyone. I'm pretty sure that by next week, I'll be out of high school for good, and I'll have the GED pinned down within a month or two. I've actually been ready to do this for a while now, but I guess I needed some more people to tell me I'm not making the biggest mistake of my life, as my guidance counselor is trying to convince me.

And about the JET program, a lot of the students from our department are involved in it right now. Most of them are graduates, though, and they teach their own classes instead of just being assistants. I am actually having a lot of trouble applying for exchanges and such due to my student status at UM (I'm not an official student).

However, I can apply for a sort of under-the-table teaching assistance program that we just got in the department through a friendship tie of one of the professors. It would be a paying job in a village (3000 pop.) in northern Japan as a teachers assistant. It wouldn't pay as much as the JET program, but we would instead get unique learning opportunities for free. For example, a guy I know who went to another town on the same system got to be a swordmaker's apprentice. And it was no phony grunt work job, either; he got to make his own set of katanas. Now THAT sounds freakin awesome to me.<img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

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SamIAm
01-24-2003, 12:27 AM
All right everyone, tomorrow I'm going to my counselor's office to declare my decision to drop high school. I talked to another guy at my school who pulled off the exact same thing I'm doing about 6 weeks ago, and I know now that getting into UM will be even eaiser than I thought. So if anyone thinks they have a reason why I should stay in high school, speak now, or forever hold your peace. Otherwise, wish me luck <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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SamIAm
01-24-2003, 07:21 AM
> good luck....
> ....ruining your life.
>
> stick to school.
>
That doesn't sound positive :(
I will be in school for the next 4+ years, just not in high school. Of course, if I drop out of college I'll really be SOL, but I've taken that into account, and I genuinly feel I can finish.

And I found out that I can simply transfer into the university, meaning my high school transcript/GED won't weigh in to the process at all, except they'll just check to make sure I have one or the other. Having 30 credit hours and a 4.0 makes things easier.<img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

But I'm sure you said what you said for a reason. Can you explain why? Does anyone else have any thoughts? Nothing is set in stone...yet.

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WhyteKnight
01-24-2003, 01:22 PM
Feels like a big plunge to take doesn't it? If you play your cards right you'll come out well dude. Personally I love telling the people I went to school with that actually graduated that I wear a tie to work every day instead of a name tag when they give me shit about quitting...especially when I tell it to them as they're handing me my lunch at McDonalds...hehe. As I say to them, not bad for a high school dropout hey? Good luck dude! <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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