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SwampGas

08-03-2002, 11:00 PM

so my friend was up from his summer job in virginia this weekend...and since he's 21 now, he finally bought a handgun.

we had discussed it ever since high school...what we were getting...all that snazzy stuff. i guess he beat me to the draw (pun intended).

it's been a LONG time since i've fired a handgun...so it was almost new to me again. came back fairly quickly tho.

if you've never fired a HANDGUN before (i said HANDGUN...not rifle or shotgun), here's a few pointers:

1) yeah, the magazine DOES run out
2) in the movies, the bad guys always miss. that is realistic.
3) in the movies, the good guys always hit. that is completely unrealistic.
4) wow.

the sight was slightly off...but the recoil was pretty acceptable. beretta 40 cal. took me 2 magazines to find "the spot", but i did. finally got 2 bulls eyes.

and of course i pride myself on having a fast trigger finger. i unloaded a mag in about 2-3 secs (10 rounds per mag). and i did it again. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif> the first one flew everywhere...i don't think i hit the target once...but the second time i was actually aiming and all 10 hit about 3 inches below bulls eye on center mass...so at least i still have it.

now it's my turn. i really want a glock 19c...maybe a glock 35. the 19c is 9mm and since it's the 'c' model, it has a recoil compensator (2 vents on the top) to dampen the recoil. the model 35 is 40 cal and has a longer barrel...probably easier to sight on it.

new laptop or a gun? gee..like i have to think....GUN <img src=smilies/2gunsfiring_v1.gif>

but anyhoo, i just have to say kudos all the the police peeps out there...it's a lot harder than it looks.

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Richter X

08-03-2002, 11:14 PM

They should make wrist straps for handguns so the recoil doesn't affect your aim or wear down your grip. So far all I've ever used is a shotgun, and I have bad aim. No decent shooting ranges here, either.

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SwampGas

08-03-2002, 11:36 PM

> They should make wrist straps for handguns so the recoil
> doesn't affect your aim or wear down your grip. So far all
> I've ever used is a shotgun, and I have bad aim. No decent
> shooting ranges here, either.

that's why i want the 19c...it's like shooting a bb gun. barely any recoil and you only lose like 5% fps tops.

everybody i've talked to about it says it's easy to conceal and with the right ammo, it's damage is comparable to a 40 or 45.

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puduhead

08-04-2002, 12:59 AM

> new laptop or a gun? gee..like i have to think....GUN

How about a laptop gun? <img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

Yah, I got the full size Glock .40. it's fun to shoot. my dad sold his glock .9 and now has two 45s. i like shooting his pistol grip shotgun too. pow!

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Isildur

08-04-2002, 01:48 AM

> and you only lose like 5% fps tops.
>

Frames per second? =P

> everybody i've talked to about it says it's easy to conceal

Why would you need to conceal it?

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World_Demise

08-04-2002, 02:00 AM

My brother has a .308 semi-auto Winchester rifle. Fun to shoot stuff with it but shells are kinda expensive.

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Maxwell Murder

08-04-2002, 04:58 AM

> Why would you need to conceal it?
>

So he doesn't get people asking him "Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

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SwampGas

08-04-2002, 05:56 AM

> Why would you need to conceal it?

why would you advertise the fact you're carrying a lethal weapon?

remember, in the majority of gun shots, the criminal got posession of the gun from the naive little guy who thought he was big and bad.

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Disch

08-04-2002, 07:04 AM

> Frames per second? =P

I assumed First Person Shooter /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Disch

08-04-2002, 07:06 AM

> remember, in the majority of gun shots, the criminal got
> posession of the gun from the naive little guy who thought
> he was big and bad.
>

Are you sure?

I always thought they were from punk-ass kids who robbed people and felt they needed to prove that they're cooler than other punk-ass kids.

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Disch

08-04-2002, 07:09 AM

I never understood the fascination with guns.

Put aside the whole 'self-defense' thing (because there are other, simpler, easier, cheaper, more effective, less dangerous ways of defending yourself)

Guns have one sole purpose:

- to kill things

If you're not planing on killing things, then there's no reason for you to have a gun.

I guess there's the whole power-trip feeling you get when you have one, but (sorry if I offend anyone), that's totally neanderthal jock-ville. If you need a gun to feel whole, you're a sad person.

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Isildur

08-04-2002, 07:19 AM

> I never understood the fascination with guns.
>
> Put aside the whole 'self-defense' thing (because there are
> other, simpler, easier, cheaper, more effective, less
> dangerous ways of defending yourself)
>
> Guns have one sole purpose:
>
> - to kill things
>
> If you're not planing on killing things, then there's no
> reason for you to have a gun.
>
> I guess there's the whole power-trip feeling you get when
> you have one, but (sorry if I offend anyone), that's totally
> neanderthal jock-ville. If you need a gun to feel whole,
> you're a sad person.
>

Yeah, I basically agree with Disch on this.

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Octocrook

08-04-2002, 08:49 AM

> I never understood the fascination with guns.

Some people enjoy trying to throw knives at a target...some people like to shoot arrows at a target. Hell, some people like to go paintballing. So you're saying that those people can't possibly have that kind of enjoyment out of those things because they are weapons and weapons are solely used to kill things? I didn't hear Sam say he was using someone's head as target practice. Don't dog his hobby just cuz you don't agree with it, unless you think Sam is a criminal (who knows, maybe you do).

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Disch

08-04-2002, 08:51 AM

yeah you're right. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Guess I just used this opportunity to give a short anti-gun speach.

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puduhead

08-04-2002, 02:52 PM

> Some people enjoy trying to throw knives at a target...some
> people like to shoot arrows at a target. Hell, some people

I'm good with a bow and arrow. not quite practical enuff when someone's trying to jack my car though. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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Octocrook

08-04-2002, 09:47 PM

> I'm good with a bow and arrow. not quite practical enuff
> when someone's trying to jack my car though.
>

That would be pretty cool though...someone wants to be a dumbass and try to steal your car, and you whip out a bow and arrow and let one slip through his head....then you hang him somewhere nearby with a sign stapled to his chest "Stealing cars doesn't pay" or something.

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SwampGas

08-04-2002, 11:01 PM

> - to kill things

no kidding sherlock...did you figure that out all by yourself? you impress me!

the point of a gun is to use lethal force against an attacker when your life is in imminent danger.

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Isildur

08-04-2002, 11:59 PM

> > - to kill things
>
> no kidding sherlock...did you figure that out all by
> yourself? you impress me!
>
> the point of a gun is to use lethal force against an
> attacker when your life is in imminent danger.
>

Uhuh. How often do you get attacked?

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Phoenix

08-05-2002, 12:05 AM

> Guns have one sole purpose:
> - to kill things
> If you're not planing on killing things, then there's no
> reason for you to have a gun.

Eh.. what do u think I use mine for? <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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Phoenix

08-05-2002, 12:17 AM

> Run SquirrelllllsS! RunnN!!!
>

Squirrels ?
Ihaven't been squirrel hunting in a LONG time...<img src=smilies/retard.gif>

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Isildur

08-05-2002, 01:48 AM

> What about one of those rubber bullet guns? I think it'd be
> cool to have one of those. You won't kill anybody with it
> (not easily at least) and it's still pretty effective.
>

Actually, I think rubber bullets and plastic bullets can easily be lethal if fired at a person's head.

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Isildur

08-05-2002, 05:09 AM

> Maybe if fired in the right spot, or close enough. My
> friend was shot with one accidentally and he said it left a
> welt for like 3 weeks. Of course I don't know for sure, but
> I don't think they would be in the "non-lethal" arsenal of
> police officers if they could kill easily.
>

Maybe; I'm no expert, it's true. I was just judging from incidents I've read about.

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Disch

08-05-2002, 05:59 AM

I see you conveniently left out the whole above section:

"Put aside the whole 'self-defense' thing (because there are other, simpler, easier, cheaper, more effective, less dangerous ways of defending yourself) "

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SwampGas

08-05-2002, 07:09 PM

> Uhuh. How often do you get attacked?

how often do you get in a major car accident? why bother carrying insurance.

how often does your house burn down? why insure that?

how often does your life get threatened by an attack? why carry insurance on that?

the "it'll never happen to me attitude" will make you a victim.

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Octocrook

08-05-2002, 07:22 PM

> the "it'll never happen to me attitude" will make you a
> victim.
>

True that. One of my best friends was robbed at gunpoint once, and hey, if there was gun control, he would have STILL been robbed at gunpoint, because criminals would be the most determined to get a gun if it was illegal. Then again, there's countries around the world that represent all scenarios (high/low gun control causing high/low rates of crime). So it's debatable.

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Isildur

08-05-2002, 08:16 PM

> > Uhuh. How often do you get attacked?
>
> how often do you get in a major car accident? why bother
> carrying insurance.
>

I've never heard of car insurance accidentally killing someone.

> the "it'll never happen to me attitude" will make you a
> victim.
>

Or the cocky "I'm prepared for anything" attitude will land you in the bad situation to begin with.

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JCE3000GT

08-05-2002, 08:24 PM

> the point of a gun is to use lethal force against an
> attacker when your life is in imminent danger.

Actually Swampy Guns were invinted to hunt food...NOT to "defend" yourself (History Channel rocks). <img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif> Anyway, firing ranges can be fun. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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Disch

08-05-2002, 10:32 PM

> I've never heard of car insurance accidentally killing
> someone.

My car insurance kills me because of its high rates <img src=smilies/cwm27.gif>

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Disch

08-06-2002, 08:50 AM

> yeah like karate lessons. when you start to do your kata or
> whatever, the guy shoots you. how effective.
>

Like pepper spray.. It's on your keychain... which is 1000x more accessable during a stick-up then a gun.

Not to mention if you're being held up... you'll have to pull out your gun and turn the safety off and hope that the robber ignores all of this action. And chances are, as SOON as he sees that you have a gun (even if you don't have it pulled out), you're gonna get shot.

And don't knock karate. If someone's sticking you up at gunpoint at close range, martial arts are your best friend. All you really have to do is grab his gun. Easier said than done, I know... but knowing martial arts would be REALLY handy.

but that's only if there's just 1 person. If there's more than 1 you're fucked anyway you slice it.

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SwampGas

08-06-2002, 01:46 PM

> Actually Swampy Guns were invinted to hunt food...NOT to
> "defend" yourself (History Channel rocks). Anyway, firing
> ranges can be fun.

that's not the reason i have for owning one..which is what we're discussing. great job in changing the subject.

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SwampGas

08-06-2002, 01:49 PM

> Or the cocky "I'm prepared for anything" attitude will land
> you in the bad situation to begin with.

i bet you're one of those freaks who thinks everyone with a gun is some jonh wayne cow boy who runs around flashing it and at the first sign of trouble pulls it out. <img src=smilies/headshake.gif>

i didn't say i was prepared for anything...nor did you inquire as to what training or practice went into it. you don't just go buy a gun and instantly know how to use it effectively and safely.

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puduhead

08-06-2002, 03:45 PM

> you don't just go buy a gun and instantly know how to use it
> effectively and safely.

That's right! You join a street gang and they teach you how to use it! <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

All joking aside, I'm ready for stuff cuz I practice proper handling at the gun range. And guns should be respected by they're owners. It's a powerful/fearsome tool.

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JCE3000GT

08-06-2002, 03:56 PM

> the "it'll never happen to me attitude" will make you a
> victim.

I agree 100% to that...the minute you get confortable in the fact that stuff won't happed to you, BAM reality deals you a bad hand.

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Isildur

08-06-2002, 05:54 PM

> i bet you're one of those freaks who thinks everyone with a
> gun is some jonh wayne cow boy who runs around flashing it
> and at the first sign of trouble pulls it out.
>

That's a rather extreme generalization, but I think that there's an element of truth there, with regards to people who would boast about a gun being easily concealable, for example.

I don't have a problem with people using guns at ranges (except that those ranges are really ^%#$ing loud, and therefore a pain in the neck if you happen to be living nearby), or hunting for food, or for self-protection if they live in a dangerous neighborhood. It's the people who seem to get guns mainly so they can boast about it that worry me.

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