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[Gavin_86]

"A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your command in chief." ~ George W. Bush, October '04

no, i'm not making this up. He actually said those exact words. I don't know if Mr. Bush remembers this one, but I know a few people out there do. It was a little tale, not spoken of by the Bush Administration in the past few months, about something called Weapons of Mass Destruction, and a large Middle-Eastern country known as Iraq. 1,000+ American lives, 225 billion dollars, and countless lies later, Mr. Bush has the audacity to give a lecture on what happens when you "jump to conclusions".

sometimes he makes me feel stabby.

In other more fun political news, I was watching Govenor Mike Huckabee on CNN with Wolf Blitzer. When asked about Kerry Campaign officials' chances in Arkansas, (R) Huckabee replied they, "Would have a harder time selling Kerry than Ashlee Simpson would have selling a live album these days."

I'm certainly for Kerry and all, but damn, I like this guy. Poking fun at Ashlee Simpson's SNL lipsyncing debacle, weaving current american entertainment news into political analogies. Get this guy a desk and a microphone, he needs his own show.

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[Danoz]

Yes! I foresaw this exact post when I heard president Bush say this. Let me just say, that before you call him a hypocrite we should at least discuss the lies John Kerry has decided to close the election with (I'm not afraid to call a liar a liar) to which his quote was actually directed. John Kerry jumped on that story before the ink dried on the first printed New York Times. Surprise, surprise! CBS was saving the story for an election night smash. What's the story? Nothing. Stockpiles of weapons in Iraq, that the UN saw three months before we entered Baghdad. When we entered the city, there were no reports of these weapons. End of story. NBC quickly reported the facts. It's again, no surprise, that CNN and the rest of the Liberal media reported it like an assassination attempt (Remember, to the liberal media, electing a democrat is always greater than reporting the news).
Here's what I think happened. John Kerry caught wind of this and ran with it, thinking he could float on this story without any real disruption until election day. Wrong. Now that we all know just how baseless the accusation was, Kerry has three options. He can
A. Apologize for the misinformation and play stupid.
B. Never mention it again, or
C. Spin some rhetoric and continue to pimp the story.
Not surprisingly, he chose "C". In all fairness, "A" isn't really an option this close to the election, he would lose. "B" would make him look ridiculous and both the administration and the fair media would pound him for it... but he was stupid enough to run with it. He'll keep lying, continuing to work this story to his "league of pissed-off voters" without any question from his Democratic base. (When asked about the timing, he said it didn't matter) Unfortunately, it's not going to make a difference. Democrats hate Bush too much to care about this kind of deception this late in the game. A professor actually called this a "non-issue". If it's a "non-issue", then why have the final days of the Kerry campaign been crafted around it?
Let's go to the rest of your post (which failed to mention the reasoning for his statement completely)
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no, i'm not making this up. He actually said those exact words. I don't know if Mr. Bush remembers this one, but I know a few people out there do. It was a little tale, not spoken of by the Bush Administration in the past few months, about something called Weapons of Mass Destruction, and a large Middle-Eastern country known as Iraq. 1,000+ American lives, 225 billion dollars, and countless lies later, Mr. Bush has the audacity to give a lecture on what happens when you "jump to conclusions".

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They aren't the same by any stretch of the imagination. There's a fundamental difference between Government Intelligence and a leftist political article in the bloody New York Times. Bush didn't jump to conclusions, he made decision based on conclusions presented. The Iraqi statistics are irrelevant... and, countless lies? What lies? Better start backing yourself up, Gavin.

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[CEpeep]

> Yes! I foresaw this exact post when I heard president Bush
> say this.

http://www.techcomedy.com/www.redswinglinestapler.com/images/milton1_large.jpg

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[Gavin_86]

Danoz all i have to do is have faith. I have spoken with my Christian friends, and they have in turn spoken with their God (the one whom they call http://www.pat-robertson.com/Pat Robertson</a>), and they assure me i am following the correct path <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[JadussD]

> > Yes! I foresaw this exact post when I heard president Bush
>
> > say this.
>

OK, I stared at it for a full minute, and read what danoz said over and over again. I don't get it. A red stapler? What?

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[Diskeater]

> OK, I stared at it for a full minute, and read what danoz
> said over and over again. I don't get it. A red stapler?
> What?

Reference to Office Space, but I agree with you...I don't qutie get how the reference applies here.


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[Gavin_86]

> OK, I stared at it for a full minute, and read what danoz
> said over and over again. I don't get it. A red stapler?
> What?
>

subject title is an Office Space reference. The horrible jump to conclusions game by the co-worker Tom

Tom Smykowski: It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat"! You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO!

. The Red Stapler is also an Office Space reference, Milton's Red Stapler

http://www.virtualstapler.com/office_space/Virtual Stapler.com - Staplers in Film</a>

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[Disch]

> Virtual Stapler.com - Staplers in Film

Dear god... there's a website dedicated to the appearances of staplers on film? I don't know whether to be laughing because of how stupid funny it is... or be afraid that something that stupid actually exists.

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[Danoz]

"Are you gonna eat that stapler?"
Well you, you can't eat a stapler...
"Wanna split it? ...

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[Lillymon]

All I could envision while reading that was Danoz yelling it all out Excel-hyperspeed-style while gesticulating in a random and wild manor.

It may be weird, but it sure was funny.

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[Gavin_86]

> All I could envision while reading that was Danoz yelling it
> all out Excel-hyperspeed-style while gesticulating in a
> random and wild manor.
> It may be weird, but it sure was funny.

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anything like that? because that's the mental imagery i had going, but i'm no artist so it's hard to get across.

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[Lobster Cowboy]

> Yes! I foresaw this exact post when I heard president Bush
> say this.

http://www.dvdanswers.com/misc/chris/images/articles/starwars/tesb/2004/emperor.jpg

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[Danoz]

But all of them are meaningless efforts to completely avoid what I've said (It's okay, I know the argument kicked your assses). So, if nobody will actually address what I've stated, I declare VICTOR in the name of DANOZ <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>.

Oh, come on. Somebody challenge what I said without a movie caption or an MSPaint image. Or can't you?

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[icenine0]

Oh jesus, reading that while imagining Excel speaking it... <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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[Lenophis]

All right, try this on for size:

2001, Bush: "Iraq has WMD, and is a threat to the US." No "intent," Bush blatently said Saddam and Co. had them. 2004, everyone later learns (to little surprise for some) that Iraq had nothing in terms of WMD. As your (Danoz) claim, Bush stated his case based on current intelligence. Didn't double check the facts, just charged blindly on what little he had.

Last week, a supposed weapons cache was apparently in x spot. Nothing there. Ok, Kerry drops a lame attack ad, which more or less backfired. Ok, well here's the thing. He dropped the ad at the time, based on the intelligence and evidence he had gathered. Didn't really double check or get the facts straight.

Now, before the recent spring of threads, I told myself I was going to more or less avoid the backroom altogether, because the posts are becoming more stupid. I've seen some really stupid shit before, mostly from my brother, but the collective intelligence of posts in this thread and the backroom in general have steadily declined. (Nobody is excluded from this either.)

Danoz, after reading your most recent plea, you wanted an intelligent reply, so how did I do?

--Edit--
Didn't mean to single this thread out with declining intelligence...

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[Danoz]

All right, try this on for size:

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2001, Bush: "Iraq has WMD, and is a threat to the US." No "intent," Bush blatently said Saddam and Co. had them. 2004, everyone later learns (to little surprise for some) that Iraq had nothing in terms of WMD. As your (Danoz) claim, Bush stated his case based on current intelligence. Didn't double check the facts, just charged blindly on what little he had.

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I'm fighting to understand how you would have expected him to "double check the facts". You wanted the president to go to Iraq? What more can you expect a government to reply on than the intelligence he's given? Not only that, but the intelligence of other nations and previous administrations-- not to mention the motives of Saddam himself (to make it appear as if he had them).

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Last week, a supposed weapons cache was apparently in x spot. Nothing there. Ok, Kerry drops a lame attack ad, which more or less backfired. Ok, well here's the thing. He dropped the ad at the time, based on the intelligence and evidence he had gathered. Didn't really double check or get the facts straight.

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Right, but you totally skipped the most prevalent point in my argument. There's a fundamental difference between bias News Media projections and Government intelligence. What intelligence and evidence other than a wild claim? I don't think you can even begin to compare the two sources.

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Now, before the recent spring of threads, I told myself I was going to more or less avoid the backroom altogether, because the posts are becoming more stupid. I've seen some really stupid shit before, mostly from my brother, but the collective intelligence of posts in this thread have steadily declined. (Nobody is excluded from this either.)

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Why would you avoid the backroom? It's so... backroomish.
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Danoz, after reading your most recent plea, you wanted an intelligent reply, so how did I do?

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I liked it, let's continue it ;).

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[SpaceTiger]

> So, if nobody will actually address what I've
> stated, I declare VICTOR in the name of DANOZ .

I hope Victor's posts are more interesting.

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[Danoz]

> I hope Victor's posts are more interesting.

Another clever addition to the list. Seriously though... what are your thoughts on this issue? I'm interested.

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[SpaceTiger]

> Another clever addition to the list. Seriously though...
> what are your thoughts on this issue? I'm interested.

Drop me a link to the stories you're referring to in your post and I'll be happy to.

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[Lenophis]

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I'm fighting to understand how you would have expected him to "double check the facts". You wanted the president to go to Iraq? What more can you expect a government to reply on than the intelligence he's given? Not only that, but the intelligence of other nations and previous administrations-- not to mention the motives of Saddam himself (to make it appear as if he had them).

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Well checking for all of the facts would've taken too long, that's a fact and a promise. He charged in blindly...or...he went in too quickly. Lemme ask you something, let's say you are pretty sure some ass is guilty of x crime, but, no solid/concrete evidence. Only motive and presumption. For fun, let's say he's a jackass lawyer. Ok, so jackass laywer is practically taunting you this "you can't touch me" attitude. You want to take him down, so what do you do?

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Right, but you totally skipped the most prevalent point in my argument. There's a fundamental difference between bias News Media projections and Government intelligence. What intelligence and evidence other than a wild claim? I don't think you can even begin to compare the two sources.

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For the most part, news is generated on intelligence. The intelligence is usually CIA, FBI, or some other very credible source. For this particular instance, I do not know who or what broke the story. Once I heard about it, there was already fallout about Kerry being an idiot.

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Why would you avoid the backroom? It's so... backroomish.

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Many stupid posts by intelligent people trying to fit their own egos.

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