A new idea to make the roads safe [Archive]

Lenophis

10-07-2004, 05:08 AM

Had a brainstorm this morning, an idea to keep the highways and freeways a little safer. Here's how it goes.

There would be sensors on the road placed at fixed intervals, that will determine the speed of passing cars. If it is determined you are going 5 or more MPH over the speed limit, the sensors will send a signal to a GPS. The only problem I can see with this setup would be getting the plates off of said violator. Anyone, imagine that part, then the GPS sends the signal to a police district, or state police, whichever would apply. Two days later, a nice fat ticket.

Now, let's put the academics aside, and look at the principle of the idea. Only those that speed would object to this, and those that avoid with that fact are also. Yeah, I'm putting everyone on the spot. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif> If this wouldn't work, I'd like to hear the flaws. (Aside from the obvious I pointed out.)

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Mr. Saturn

10-07-2004, 05:15 AM

Crazy_MYKL

10-07-2004, 05:16 AM

> I'd like to hear the flaws. (Aside from the obvious I
> pointed out.)
>

Making the speed limit actually enforced will do less than you think in terms of safety.

Jammers for these things'd likely be easy to make, and if they are cracked, someone could have some illict phun at the expense of others.

Not to mention costs and potential vandalism.

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Lenophis

10-07-2004, 05:23 AM

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Making the speed limit actually enforced will do less than you think in terms of safety.

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Like how? People will be more careful when they realize more and more money is being drained away from their wallets. Common sense is a necessity when driving anyway. This isn't meant as a "fix every road problem," it's meant to be "you're only going as fast as the sign says" solution.

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Jammers for these things'd likely be easy to make, and if they are cracked, someone could have some illict phun at the expense of others.

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Well the "illicit phun" part already happens...
The idea of my design was to not allow input from any source, so it would have to be set up perfectly. Since speed limit changes are rare, that wouldn't be a problem. The signal jamming would be the hardest part to defend against, and that I have no solution for.

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Not to mention costs and potential vandalism.

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Well cost I can imagine being insanely huge, and even if it did happen, it'd take at least 10 years to implement.

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Kuikorosu

10-07-2004, 09:14 AM

Speeding isn't the problem.

Drivers that suck are the problem. Don't forget those stupid ricers that want to race you off of every light in their ugly car with the loud exhaust Wow, you got to impress your teenage skank of a girlfriend by beating me off the line, despite the fact that I wasn't even giving any indication that I was interested in doing so? Good for you.

I speed quite a bit. Doesn't prevent me from being safe about it. Now assholes that will cut you off with only a millimeter's worth of margin of error, or decide to run up on your bumper for whatever reason, or too busy talking on their fucking cellphones to watch what's going on around them, they're the ones causing the accidents.

To reiterate my point, stupidity causes accidents. People are stupid. The only way to make the road safe is to make completely automated cars. As long as people drive, there are going to be people who think they're divine and immortal and can disregard the rules because they are special.

Then they get into a car wreck, and start crying about how they're so sorry, get their car fixed, and guess what? Statistically, people who've been in a car wreck recently drive WORSE than those who haven't. Why? Because they think they've received their slice of the pie, and now they're immortal again. But guess what? The whole pie was for them.

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JadussD

10-07-2004, 09:43 AM

> Now, let's put the academics aside, and look at the
> principle of the idea. Only those that speed would object to
> this, and those that avoid with that fact are also. Yeah,
> I'm putting everyone on the spot. If this wouldn't work,
> I'd like to hear the flaws. (Aside from the obvious I
> pointed out.)

That idea is ludicrously oppressive. Should we also put a cop on every street corner? How about we install cameras in peoples' private residences to see if they're breaking the law or not? Universal enforcement of any law makes me uneasy.

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Lenophis

10-07-2004, 09:58 AM

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That idea is ludicrously oppressive. Should we also put a cop on every street corner? How about we install cameras in peoples' private residences to see if they're breaking the law or not? Universal enforcement of any law makes me uneasy.

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Oppressive how? The idea is to keep your driving skills in check. You know, stuff you learned in drivers ed. I do wish to know how just normal enforcement of the law is oppressive. I don't see how to get people to care about the speed limit is oppressive, and I'm a free spirited guy.

Do explain.

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Lenophis

10-07-2004, 10:10 AM

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I speed quite a bit. Doesn't prevent me from being safe about it.

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Drive around in Wisconsin and let's see if you sing the same tune.

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To reiterate my point, stupidity causes accidents.

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NOT always. There are also uncontrollable factors to keep in mind, and stupidity doesn't play a role in that.

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People are stupid. The only way to make the road safe is to make completely automated cars. As long as people drive, there are going to be people who think they're divine and immortal and can disregard the rules because they are special.

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Yeah, but they are licensed to drive. (Can't believe I said that.) States are far too lenient when it comes to issuing licenses. I say that because I should've failed my test. I could declare myself to be a good and safe driver, but nobody is gonna call themselves a bad driver.

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Then they get into a car wreck, and start crying about how they're so sorry, get their car fixed, and guess what? Statistically, people who've been in a car wreck recently drive WORSE than those who haven't. Why? Because they think they've received their slice of the pie, and now they're immortal again. But guess what? The whole pie was for them.

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Bottom line, people don't learn. If people did learn, shit wouldn't happen.

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JadussD

10-07-2004, 10:24 AM

> Do explain.
>

"If you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about." Number one retort to anyone who might not want their every move monitored by the police. I do not want to be monitored by an all-seeing eye when I am on the road. Oh you might think it's a great idea, until your supposedly-law-abiding self goes 10 over on the freeway, or your wife goes into labor and it's time to go to the hospital.

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Lenophis

10-07-2004, 10:36 AM

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"If you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about." Number one retort to anyone who might not want their every move monitored by the police.

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So the 75% of people that drive 85 MPH on the 65 freeway is ok? Well, I can't say that's a nation wide margin, just more or less the feel up here in my area.

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I do not want to be monitored by an all-seeing eye when I am on the road.

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"All-seeing eye?" You are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm talking road sensors that don't give two shits about you unless you are speeding.

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Oh you might think it's a great idea, until your supposedly-law-abiding self goes 10 over on the freeway, or your wife goes into labor and it's time to go to the hospital.

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Well I never said it was perfect. You are describing an extreme circumstance though. One I do not have an answer for. Unless you want the standard copout answer of "call an ambulance."

So what would you rather I do? Do nothing and stand by as careless mindfucks are trashing the roads? "You don't like my plan, that's good, give me another one. But don't tell me we are backing out."

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JadussD

10-07-2004, 10:46 AM

> You don't like
> my plan, that's good, give me another one. But don't tell me
> we are backing out."
>

How about no plan? The police pull people over and give them tickets. These tickets pay their salaries. If you're speeding, and you get caught by a cop, you get a ticket. There is a certain amount of danger in anything. Deal with it. Are you one of those people that wants cameras with police watching them placed everywhere the public can possibly walk just to get a feeling of security?

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Lenophis

10-07-2004, 10:52 AM

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There is a certain amount of danger in anything. Deal with it.

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How much I hate this fact...

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Are you one of those people that wants cameras with police watching them placed everywhere the public can possibly walk just to get a feeling of security?

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No...

OK, I'll sit by and do nothing, since that seems to be a theme with the public... Pretty soon those careless mindfucks are gonna be running this country...

I ask for this thread to be closed, all points got across.

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Fla Flash

10-07-2004, 12:02 PM

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Drivers that suck are the problem.

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Granted some accidents are caused by weather, but a majority are caused by people making a lousy judgement at a bad time.

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Cornellius

10-07-2004, 12:44 PM

There's a place in Germany where there is no speed limit. Apparently, it works pretty well.

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icenine0

10-07-2004, 04:55 PM

I recall that they were once devising a system involving one of those "You're going X mile per hour" digital readouts combined with a highspeed camera. If someone was speeding, it'd just snap a crisp shot of their license plate. Cops could then just go and check the box every day, mailing out tickets to the addresses associated with the plate numbers.

Last I heard, it was ruled unconstitutional, because you have to charge a person with a crime, not a car. In the circumstance that, say, your friend was driving, you'd unrightfully be stuck with the ticket. I imagine similar problems would manifest with your system.

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Disch

10-07-2004, 05:22 PM

> Last I heard, it was ruled unconstitutional, because you
> have to charge a person with a crime, not a car.

They have traffic cameras all over various intersections here in southern Cali. If you're in the intersection as the light changes red, you get your picture taken and mailed a ticket. They still do it, so I doubt it was ruled unconstitutional.

Besides, you can always contest the tickets.

icenine0

10-07-2004, 05:36 PM

Ah, I see. Thanks for bringing me up to 'speed'. <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

Hahaha, ha... ha. Hmm.

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SamIAm

10-07-2004, 05:49 PM

> I recall that they were once devising a system involving one
> of those "You're going X mile per hour" digital readouts
> combined with a highspeed camera.

That's essentially THE method of speed enforcement in Japan. There are no traffic cops to speak of, just similar mechanisms over every intersection with a stoplight, and some bridges/tunnels as well. Thus it shouldn't be too surprising that everyone, and I mean everyone, keeps an automatic radar jammer in the car.

If you think American drivers are bad, just go to Japan. Don't go thinking you're special just because you're a pedestrian or anything, because they really don't care.

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Lobster Cowboy

10-07-2004, 06:38 PM

> Ah, I see. Thanks for bringing me up to 'speed'.

pop quiz, hot shot...

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IceWolf20

10-07-2004, 07:34 PM

> Yeah, but they are licensed to drive. (Can't believe I said
> that.) States are far too lenient when it comes to issuing
> licenses. I say that because I should've failed my test. I
> could declare myself to be a good and safe driver, but
> nobody is gonna call themselves a bad driver.

Which is exactly why "renewing" your liscence should entail more than getting a new photograph taken....you should have to pass a written and road test everytime you go to renew.....and they should make the tests more than 15 dumb ass questions that have nothing to do with anything and a road test that tests nothing but your ability to obey street signs.

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IceWolf20

10-07-2004, 07:36 PM

> The signal jamming would be the hardest part to defend against,
> and that I have no solution for.

You could probably use some sort of physicall scannign system....like a barcode on the plates that could be tracked and laser scanned from these points....granted, this in conjunction with RFID tagging on a car would proably work best, but multiple ways of catching ppl could be implemented simultaneaously for better enforcement.

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IceWolf20

10-07-2004, 07:39 PM

> Had a brainstorm this morning, an idea to keep the highways
> and freeways a little safer. Here's how it goes.

Here's an idea.....STOP MAKING CARS THAT GO MORE THAN 75 FUCKING MILES PER HOUR! If we had true restrictor plates on cars, and made it physically impossible to go over 75MPH, and the only cars that could do that are police cars, then we'd all be alot safer, and the "high speed chase" wouldn't be as big of a threat to public safety.

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icenine0

10-07-2004, 07:54 PM

To hell with that, man. If I haven't been in an accident during my licensing period, chances are I'm a good driver. No need to waste time and money by having me stand in line at the DMV for 22 hours.

If someone causes an accident through a rules violation... Yeah, test em again.

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Disch

10-07-2004, 10:34 PM

> Here's an idea.....STOP MAKING CARS THAT GO MORE THAN 75
> FUCKING MILES PER HOUR!

But then people wouldn't be able to buy cars that get shit mileage just to show off the size of their penis. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Anyway... one real beef I have is with DUIs. I know I'm gonna piss a lot of people off with this but...

If you drive drunk, fuck you, you shouldn't be on the road, and you shouldn't have a liscence. None of this suspended for a month take a class and then get back on the road bullshit. I know too many people who have been in alcohol related crashes. Everybody knows that is wrong and dangerous and blah blah blah to drive dunk, so people that do it anyway are fucking assholes that I don't want to share the road with.

There's all this talk about how drunk driving is a serious problem, but nobody really cares because the punishment is laughable. People don't have enough respect for how dangerous cars actually are.

Mr. Saturn

10-08-2004, 12:35 AM

Narvick

10-08-2004, 03:40 AM

Meh. It depends on the flow of traffic. The speed limit on I-75 is 70, but the flow of traffic is 80-85mph. If I ever got a ticket doing 80 in a 70 with people still passing me on either side, I would be more than pissed.

A better way to make roads safe would be to have more vigorous testing standards. People can't drive worth shit. They really can't. They don't the basics. They don't know right of ways. They don't know how to properly turn, pass, or do just about anything. If we got those people off the streets, then the roads would be much safer. Only people who can drive should be allowed to drive.

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Octocrook

10-08-2004, 04:11 AM

> Now, let's put the academics aside, and look at the
> principle of the idea.

No, let's look at the fact that that idea would cost a fucking shitload of money to install and upkeep, and the police probably don't consider speeding the main problem anyways. As others have pointed out anyways, speeding isn't the problem, it's people that don't drive safely. Most accidents happen because someone isn't looking, someone isn't driving aware, someone is trying like a retard, etc, and all of those have absolutely nothing to do with the speed of driving. Obviously if you combine them with speeding it produces worse results, but careful, safe drivers shouldn't be given tickets. At least that's my opinion.

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Fla Flash

10-08-2004, 04:33 AM

Disch, you are sooooo right on this one.
They're not just dangerous, they are lethal.
Driving isn't a right.
It's a privelige. And like any other privelige, it needs to be treated the same.
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IceWolf20

10-08-2004, 09:26 PM

> You could probably use some sort of physicall scannign
> system....like a barcode on the plates that could be tracked
> and laser scanned from these points....granted, this in
> conjunction with RFID tagging on a car would proably work

Or you could just hijack the driver's info (http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,65243,00.html) as they drive by speeding.

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