Right here, right now, I'm calling the election: Bush WILL win.

[Lobster Cowboy]

let me preface this by saying i'm a libertarian, but folks, it's over.

bush WILL remain president. the end. have a nice day. and i don't say this because bush currently leads in the polls.

no, i say this because of a simple statistic i came across:

out of the people voting for John Kerry, 43% were voting because they were actually voting for the candidate himself. 50% said they were doing it to vote against Bush.

fine, you say? what's the big deal?

look at Mr. Bush's numbers. out of those polled, 82% were voting for Bush because they were voting for the actual candidate. 15% were voting because they didn't like kerry.

these numbers are huge folks. it basicially says that the democrats, which are the MAJORITY party, don't even like their own fucking candidate. if his own people don't like him, how can he beat a sitting president?

answer:

he can't.

game. set. match. Bush.

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[thegodofhellfire]

> game. set. match. Bush.

Yeah, my thinking's been drawn more and more in that direction recently. It's all very sad indeed.

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[Lillymon]

> these numbers are huge folks. it basicially says that the
> democrats, which are the MAJORITY party, don't even like
> their own fucking candidate. if his own people don't like
> him, how can he beat a sitting president?

If the poll didn't specify wether the people were republicans, democrats or whatever, a fair portion of those going to vote for Kerry may have been pissed-off republicans.

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[Fla Flash]

Dammit, you are right, Lobster.
I wish Ash had a chance....
Another hero gone to waste....
I ain't gonna be happy who's in office next time.
I'm running for city council in two years.
I'm gonna make a difference here first....

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[Danoz]

Most Democrats will come right out and tell you that they don't like Kerry but they're voting for him anyway. John Kerry is to the Democrats what Bob Dole was to the Republicans. Also, Kerry really has the fight to fight in the swing states-- he has to really take in some major states to win this election, and it doesn't look good for him.

I don't think the presidential debates will be an issue. Bush has looked good lately, I'll think he'll stand up... I'm venturing to guess he'll spend a lot of time preparing.

Plus, Bush will have my vote. And with 50 percent of the US not voting, that gives me 2 votes <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[WhyteKnight]

I'll think Bush has a chance in the debates if they accept all four proposed sessions.

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[SpaceTiger]

In the absence of any major perturbations in the political scene, you may be right, though I think your analysis has more rhetorical appeal than logical clout. To some extent, Kerry was selected because of his insipid nature. The Democrats felt that their best bet was to ride the wave of dissatisfaction that was permeating the country after the war in Iraq and, by choosing a candidate who wouldn't rock the boat, they hoped to sway the undecided to vote against Bush. Unfortunately, I think they underestimated the apathy and general ignorance of the American public. If it were widely understood just how far right Bush really is, I very much doubt that he could win this election.

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[Danoz]

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In the absence of any major perturbations in the political scene, you may be right, though I think your analysis has more rhetorical appeal than logical clout. To some extent, Kerry was selected because of his insipid nature. The Democrats felt that their best bet was to ride the wave of dissatisfaction that was permeating the country after the war in Iraq and, by choosing a candidate who wouldn't rock the boat, they hoped to sway the undecided to vote against Bush. Unfortunately, I think they underestimated the apathy and general ignorance of the American public. If it were widely understood just how far right Bush really is, I very much doubt that he could win this election.

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The Democrats elected Kerry as the "backup" when thier firey candidate Dean practically imploded. You may be right that he was the second choice because they knew loud and angry rhetoric wouldn't win them this election, but he was still a second choice-- and many Democrats I've talked to say they're voting for him by "default". Bush, on the other hand, has a tremendously strong base of supporters, and Kerry is just too liberal to pull in many Republican votes. Democrats on the whole aren't too excited about a Bush-relection either... as a result we have yet another completely disconnected America.

Unrelated, I really think that Colin Powell would bridge that gap if he ran.

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[CEpeep]

> Unrelated, I really think that Colin Powell would bridge
> that gap if he ran.
>

Indeed he would. So would McCain, I think.

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[Reaper man]

um, don't you think that the 50% consist mostly of republicans that think Bush is a twat?

those numbers don't mean anything, Kerry still has a good chance. Like father like son /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

and if Bush wins, I'm going to try to move to another country <img src=smilies/upeyes.gif>

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[IceWolf20]

> and if Bush wins, I'm going to try to move to another
> country

Canada anyone? The health care may be sub-par, but damnit at least its free...

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[Lobster Cowboy]

> and if Bush wins, I'm going to try to move to another
> country

then allow me to officially cast my vote for bush.

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[Reaper man]

> then allow me to officially cast my vote for bush.


haw, I'd still post here though /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

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[Lillymon]

> haw, I'd still post here though

Yeah, it is the internet as in an international network.

Still don't move over here though. <img src=smilies/erm.gif>

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[Danoz]

> and if Bush wins, I'm going to try to move to another
> country

Leavin the greatest nation behind? Your loss!

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[Lillymon]

> Leavin the greatest nation behind? Your loss!

Not this shit again...

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[SpaceTiger]

> > Leavin the greatest nation behind? Your loss!
>
> Not this shit again...

It's funny that Americans would view that same display of ubernationalism as scary and disturbing if it referred to any other country in the world. Considering that the history of such emotion is violent and bloody, I think suspicion is justified. I fear for my future children, I really do.

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[IceWolf20]

> > and if Bush wins, I'm going to try to move to another
> > country
>
> Leavin the greatest nation behind? Your loss!

To you...this is the greatest nation in the world....to others, I'm sure it'd go something like this:

"So, what is the best nation in the world?"

Canadian: "Canada....eh?"
English: "England....care for a spot of tea?"
Irish: "Ireland....now pour me a pint!"
Spanish: "Spain....now lets take a siesta"
French: "France.....wine anyone?"
German: "Germany....du hast mich?!"
Swiss: "Switzarland....wanna buy a watch?"
American: "AMERICA...ya freedom hating liberal facist asshole dumbass! How dare you question my authority!!!! I'll bomb your ass!"

"Uhmm....ok, so what's the most dangerious state in the world"

American: "TERRORISTS! YEAH, THE STATE OF TERRORISM IS THE MOST DANGEROUS!!"
"Uhmm.....Terrorisim isn't a....."
American: "TERRORISTS!"

Everyone else: "AMERICA!"

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[Danoz]

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It's funny that Americans would view that same display of ubernationalism as scary and disturbing if it referred to any other country in the world. Considering that the history of such emotion is violent and bloody, I think suspicion is justified. I fear for my future children, I really do.

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I fear for yours and my future children if we don't elect somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect them. What is defined as "love for one's country" isn't the threat, the evil we're fighting is.

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[maq112k2]

> I fear for yours and my future children if we don't elect
> somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect
> them. What is defined as "love for one's country" isn't the
> threat, the evil we're fighting is.

I'm going to put this bluntly. I'd rather have Kerry over Bush, but over all, I'd rather see someone like Badnarik win. Why? Because both candidates can't seem to hold anything straight. They seem to backtrack on everything they say, and they both scare the living shit out of me. Moral clarity may be all good and well, but sending troops over for the equivalent of the Bush papers CBS had shown is just not right. Bush fucked up the war that shouldn't have happened in the first place, Kerry can't hold a single opinion, and I'm scared as to what will happen when that special Tuesday passes.

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[Fla Flash]

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I fear for yours and my future children if we don't elect> somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect> them. What is defined as "love for one's country" isn't the> threat, the evil we're fighting is.

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Moral clarity? How about common sense? Cautious planning? I've yet to see either from the Bush Administration.

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[Lillymon]

> I fear for yours and my future children if we don't elect
> somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect
> them. What is defined as "love for one's country" isn't the
> threat, the evil we're fighting is.

Translation: If you don't vote for a conservative Christian, you're an un-American fuck.

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[SpaceTiger]

> I fear for yours and my future children if we don't elect
> somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect
> them. What is defined as "love for one's country" isn't the
> threat, the evil we're fighting is.

They both are. The actions Bush is taking to "protect" us are pissing off a lot of people (many of whom used to be friends) and alienating us as a country. Not only do I worry about us having nobody to turn to in a crisis, but I worry about those pissed off people contributing to the very "evil" we're supposed to be fighting.

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[IceWolf20]

> somebody with the foundation and moral clarity to protect

Moral clarity, huh? I know of some other great persons in history that had the "moral clarity" in the name of God to wage war.....they waged the Crusades, and that's where we're headed. A Holy War showdown between the "God Bless America" Christians led by King W into the belly of the beast to kill the infidel Muslims....don't think it won't happen? Give it time....and we'll all be in a world of shit.


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Hillary 2008!

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[Lobster Cowboy]

you may all start fellating me now

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[pepsibeth]

> you may all start fellating me now
>

I'm out of practice on that... you don't mind if it's a bit amateurish, do you?

:D

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[IceWolf20]

> you may all start fellating me now

Only if you teabag me first.

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