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Gokuh
07-12-2004, 03:00 PM
If they did, they would know this is a stupid move REGARDLESS of what the canadian authorities are or are not doing. Article after link.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1089630064988&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037

Accused Canadian abuser sheltered by U.S. clergy
Franciscans say Canada hasn't asked for alleged sex offender back



DALLAS (AP) — A Franciscan friar who is an accused child molester is being housed by the Catholic order in California, even though officials know he is a fugitive from Canadian justice.

Gerald Chumik is one of about 200 Catholic priests, brothers and other religious workers who have escaped sexual abuse accusations by moving abroad, according to an investigation by the Dallas Morning News. About 30 face current charges or investigations, and many remain free with their superiors' blessings.

Church and state officials are aware that Chumik is living in a religious complex overlooking the Pacific Ocean in Santa Barbara, Calif.. But no one seems willing to order him to go back to Canada and face justice, the newspaper reported in Monday's edition.

"We can't ask anybody to do anything they don't want to do," Rev. Mel Jurisich, head of the Franciscan order's Western U.S. region, is quoted by the newspaper as saying. "The only way we could force his hand is to dismiss him."

Chumik is accused of enticing a boy at ages 12 and 15 to perform oral sex during the 1970s.

Police in St. John's, Nfld., say they began asking church leaders to hand over Chumik shortly after he was charged 14 years ago.

Franciscan leaders contend Canadian authorities have never asked them to return Chumik.

Chumik, 69, who is retired, declined to discuss his past with the newspaper.

The friar suffers from diabetes and is largely confined to the Franciscans' infirmary, said Rev. Tom West, Jurisich's top aide at the Franciscans' regional headquarters in Oakland, Calif..

He spends much of his time tending to plants and has been in sex-offender therapy for many years.

The Franciscans say they feel obligated to Chumik and want to keep him with them to care for his health problems and protect children.

An ex-probation officer is paid to keep tabs on alleged sex offenders who have remained in the order. He said he regularly checks on Chumik by phone but doesn't conduct surveillance or make unannounced visits.

The ex-officer, Gary Dunn, said he knows Chumik is a fugitive from Canadian authorities but doesn't believe he is dangerous.

Chumik is the only fugitive the California Franciscans are housing, Jurisich said.

The Franciscans say Roger Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles hasn't objected to their arrangement concerning Chumik because they have assured him over the years that the friar is watched closely.

Mahony "is understanding about this," said West. "He said, `Just keep me informed, please,' and that's what we do."

The cardinal's spokesperson, Tom Tamberg, said, however, that the archdiocese has no information about Chumik.

Tamberg did not answer follow-up questions from the newspaper and said the cardinal wasn't conducting interviews because of pending lawsuits alleging cover-ups of abuse.


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TheRobbit
07-12-2004, 07:49 PM
Ahhh the price of apostasy

1Ti 4:1-4 I always wonder how Catholics justified that particular practice. After all some of Jesus's apostles were married. (1Co 9:5, Lu 4:38).

Of course Catholics don't know that because you can't get a Catholic to open a bible. I've had Catholics tell me they don't need to read it. Despite (if you're religious) multiple scriptures saying "read the bible daily".

Can't force someone to do what they don't want to? What a cop out. 1Cor 5:11-13. Of course how many of those children really wanted to have sex with the guy?

This isn't some kind of hate mongering where the Canadian gov wants to hang this guy because they say he's a heretic and he's really just a visionary.

Of course Mt 22:21 could fit in there even though it dealt more with taxes and stuff. The basic just is abide by the laws of the land (government) unless they interfere with god's law. So Canada and the U.S. have laws against having sex with children and as far as I know there are no rules in the bible that allow you to have sex with children or that require you to harbor pedophiles.

In fact the bible likens the Christian congregation much like the body. If you're foot had gangrene would you protect your foot at the cost of your life? Or would you remove your foot so you might live? Certain people are just poison to any group and when they're found out they need to be removed immediately for the sake of "the body". How many people have been stumbled because of acts like these? How many people have been stumbled because of churches seemingly pointless need to protect horrible baby raping monsters?
I wonder what they would have to say to Lu 17:1-2.

Aww and now the poor guy is so old we're supposed to feel sorry for him now that his health isn't so good. Maybe we should let him alone.... I vote prison till he dies. Everyone helped him avoid facing up to his crimes should probably go to prison until he dies too.

I just hate such blatant hypocrisy
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Narvick
07-13-2004, 08:53 AM
Quite frankly, it's because Catholic authority figures are generally stupid and apparently lack common sense. That and Catholicism acts as a government.

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TheRobbit
07-13-2004, 05:45 PM
> Quite frankly, it's because Catholic authority figures are
> generally stupid and apparently lack common sense. That and
> Catholicism acts as a government.
>

I think that's kind of like saying "they don't know any better", which of course is nonsense. They stick together like most members in a group do. A large percentage of them suffer from an apparent need to have sex with children. And how they deal with it is consistant, "shuffle them around".

They're not stupid they know exactly what they're doing. I don't think it's a lack of common sense, it's a matter of they know they can get away with it, they have for hundreds of years. I think it's the Catholic public that lacks common sense..... to let this sort of thing go on for so long.....

The clergy's actions are blatant and malicious from my point of view.


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Gokuh
07-14-2004, 03:22 PM
A large percentage of them
> suffer from an apparent need to have sex with children.

Do you have percentages to back that up? Lets face it, its like any profession with access to children (teachers, scouts..ect), the pedophiles are drawn to them because of authority and easy access to children. The church has amplified the situation by trying to hide the problem.

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TheRobbit
07-15-2004, 04:43 PM
> Do you have percentages to back that up? Lets face it, its
> like any profession with access to children (teachers,
> scouts..ect), the pedophiles are drawn to them because of
> authority and easy access to children. The church has
> amplified the situation by trying to hide the problem.

Well it's a vague statement anyways and depends on how you define large. If even just 10% of priests violated children I would call that a large percentage. I've heard upwards of 40% on various news programs though.

Either way we know it's quite a lot because of the scandals.

And while pedophiles may be drawn to all kinds of professions dealing with children. Many teachers go through years fo schooling and they undergo all kinds of background checks. Just being suspected of improper conduct with children can end your career.

And it doesn't matter what the pedophiles do. Any system the facilitates their conduct needs to be held just as responsible as the criminal.

When a teacher molests a student a lot of people have to answer for it. "How did this person get hired? Why didn't we see the warning signs? How can we prevent in the future?" Any steps that are needed to improve safety are taken. It's not just that certain organizations try to cover up the fact it's that they do jack squat and even side with the criminal by their actions. Paying off the victim on behalf of the criminal and moving him to a new location doesn't help anyone but the criminal.

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