> first, i felt that moore was unfair to attack the president
> when he didn't leave the school immediately upon the
> striking of the world trade center. the last thing you want
> to do it act rashly, and even more so, frighten the
] children. besides, there was no immediate response bush
> could've taken at that moment. during a situation of chaos,
> it's better to have secret service assess the possible
> danger to the president before moving him from a location.
> at the time of 9/11, who knew the full extent of the threat?
The president might've, if he hadn't spent 42% of the preceding months on vacation.
> two, the links between bush and the saudis is tenuous at
> best. many businessmen deal with the saudis. the film
> itself stated that saudi arabia had a 7% stake in the US
> economy. this stake includes many bluechip companies. it
] stands to reason that thousands, if not hundreds of
> thousands of americans had something to do with saudi
> business. a powerful and rich family like the bushes would
> be stupid not to deal with the bin ladens. also, and this
> is important, ONLY OSAMA WAS A TERRORIST. the other bin
] ladens were legit, and were a well respected family.
I don't think that Moore was trying to prove that the Bin Ladens were terrorists and that Bush was as well by association. The idea was that when Bush wakes up in the morning, does he think first about the American people and the 400,000 a year we give him, or does he think about the Saudis and the money they've funneled to him over the years?
> third, the film was a failure as a documentary, but a
> success as an op-ed piece. a documentary should have some
> form of objectivity, but this film did not. a good
> documentary should present two sides of the argument, and
] let the viewer decide what they believe in. moore's film
> was little more than propaganda in that respect. there was
> absolutely nothing presented on behalf of the president.
If you want something presented on behalf of the president, turn on any major news station.
> that said, moore presented his points well, and essentially
> mirrored many of my views on the war. it was a foolishly
> devised conflict, rashly fought and thought out. action was
> necessary in iraq, but not because of WMD. action was
] needed to stop the human rights violations of sadaam. had
> the war been fought on this principle, i might've supported
> it. unfortunately, it was fought for a completely
> different, and not entirely known reason.
How come we don't go policing all the other human rights violators out there? This war is about oil control, and Haliburrton making LOTS of money through defense contracts. Meanwhile, the brave people that volunteer to defend our country are sent to to Iraq to die, or to kill others. And while I'm sure the upperclass are profiting a great deal from this, what of the lowerclass? Can they eat war to alleviate their hunger? Can they use war to pay their rent or their mortgage?
> had this been fought differently, a true arab democratic
> country might have been established in iraq. think of the
> possibilities if the US had a middle east ally that wasn't
] israel? it would give us more credibility with other
> islamic nations, unlike the pure hatred and distrust we
> share today.
Ultimately, the people of Iraq are going to set up the governemt of their own choosing. Then again, that whole "the people choose the leader they want" thing worked out pretty good for us four years ago, right?
> the damage is done, tho', and john kerry sure as hell won't
> fix things either. he's like a democratic bush. another
> affluent white fucker that YOU KNOW took advantage of people
> to attain a higher position of wealth/power. if you think
] that kerry got to where he is today through pure elbow
> grease and know how, and did nothing remotely objectionable
> or questionable and never relied on his vast connections,
> think again. he's NO BETTER than bush in that respect.
Sure, but do you think Kerry is going to send more and more troops over there while continuing to slash their benefits?
> i defintely recommend the movie, if only to make you think
> more about, and talk more about what's going on in the
> world.
I recommend it because it shows the stuff that doesn't saturate CNN and FoxNews.
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