Attention fat ZD people

[SwampGas]

Let's be honest. Most people are overweight and unhealthy. I'm not HUGE, but I am a little soggy around the mid-section....and I have NO endurance at all.

I don't recall if I wrote a diary entry about it (too lazy to check), but I've been out doing the walking thing lately. It's a 2 mile route around the neighborhood and it takes me about 30 minutes at a moderate pace. I stretch for a few mins, go walk 1.9 miles at a fast pace (fast enough that I feel my legs burn but not jogging or running), then walk a normal slow walking pace the last 2 blocks or so to cool down the muscles, stretch again at home (REALLY easy since the muscles are warmed up now), then take a COLD shower.

Tonight I got back to the street on which I live (when I stop walking and just stroll the rest of the way to cool down the muscles) and it felt incomplete. If I feel the same way tomorrow I may tack another mile on to it. After that I'll probably begin actually running an extended distance (right now I'll just sprint a block or two) because it's about 15 mins per mile. 4 miles = too long of a time to just walk.

Fellas....it feels GREAT. I'm serious. During the route you're like "oh my goodness I'm going to die", but it's over before you know it....the cold shower is AWESOME...and afterwards you feel energetic and happy...like you want to go prance around like an idiot singing a song. I've been doing it for like a week and it looks like it's going to become a permanent part of my day.

About 2 weeks ago I cut all sugar out of my diet. Completely. I always use the cancer-causing fake sugar in everything now, I drink the diet soda, sugar free jello, etc. I still have cookies once in a while so it's not like I'm a nut now....but it's totally out of my regular food habits. I don't eat at all hours of the day (appetite has diminished quite a bit since I started excercising), and I DON'T EAT CHEESEBURGERS AND FRIES every day.

I weighed myself 4 days ago...not exactly something about which to brag. Before I went out for a walk tonight I was 5 pounds lighter. Post walk I was 2 pounds lighter than that (probably water loss from sweat).

I'm not sitting here craving food and all that crap...it's not like I'm depriving myself of food or having a strict diet. Maybe it's a matter of outside motivation...maybe self gratification...maybe both.

Life is good.

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[king killa]

> I always use the cancer-causing fake sugar in
> everything now, I drink the diet soda, sugar free jello,
> etc.

uh, you may want to read this:

<a href=http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html>http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html</a>

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[Paladyn]

> Life is good.

Sounds good. People only feel like crap when they try to overdo an activity they're not used to. Light exercise is pretty good for helping you feel more energized. Glad it's working out for ya.


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[blackize]

I'm a fat piece of shit. I'm not huge, but I'm up to around 240. And I thought I was a huge when I was at 180 about three years ago. I stand 5'8" and most of the added bulk (or extra gift wrap as I put when I attempt to smooth talk any women) is basically my ass and my gut. I'm too fucking lazy to go for a walk so about a week and a half before I travel to Jersey to see my sister and cousin, I plan on not eating and just drinking tea. A liquid diet, if you will. Ideally, I want to purchase a nice piece of exercise equipment and a punching bag and work off the added pounds, but I don't have access to that kind of money as I don't have a job.

I also find that replacing meat with tofu helps. I'm not saying you should cut meat out completely, but instead of chicken in your Chicken Helper, use tofu. I also try to drink more teas and juices when I'm thirsty, as opposed to soda. Try soy milk instead of regular milk. It's more expensive but it's better for you. Chocolate Soy Milk as a treat is quite delicious. I, too, use fake sugar. Equal. I have a box of 2000 packets. Cost me $20, what a bargain.

[Lobster Cowboy]

i hear ya...i feel my best when i can rollerblade everyday. nothing quite like a good skate. nice for the heart, and easy on the knees. i'm pretty thin, but i think being grossly skinny is just as bad as being too big. a little muscle never hurt anyone.

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[icenine0]

And you may want to read the other side of the story:

http://american.aspartame-info.com/media/scilib.htmlhttp://american.aspartame-info.com/media/scilib.html</A>
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asphttp://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp</A>

Pretty much all of the aspartame alarmism was spawned by the chain letter in the above link, which was later quite thoroughly debunked. You can now safely chug the stuff knowing it's one of the most scientifically overkilled substances in the history of mankind.

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[icenine0]

> About 2 weeks ago I cut all sugar out of my diet.

Hells yeah! I've done the same thing and never felt better. The stuff really has a druglike impact on your system: racing high, crashing low, eat some more, go round again. It was difficult to give up at first, but now I just feel... even and clearheaded the whole day through. It's absolutely great.

Also, I find I eat a lot less food when sugar's not involved. Simple carbs = food that makes you crave more food. I've already lost about 12 pounds just by not eating anything high on the Glycemic Index.

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[Tsyni]

I name thee double me, lol...Im 5"8 and I weigh about 130-135.

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[Fla Flash]

Good for you.
That's the same thing I now get out of riding my bike 1 1/2 - 2 miles a day. Triple that on the weekends.
I'm down to 189 now, and all I want to lose is four more pounds.
But I love riding.
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[thegodofhellfire]

> I name thee double me, lol...Im 5"8 and I weigh about
> 130-135.

Haha, snap. Almost. 5"8 and just under 150 pounds here. But that's way up from when I started Uni back in 2000. I was the same height, but only weighed about maybe 105lb. Guess working at a desk all day for 4 years took it's toll!

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[IceWolf20]

> http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html

That's why we have Splenda (TM) now.....no chemicals (aspertame/sacchrine/phenalatronics (or whatever the hell they are), and no calories.


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[IceWolf20]

> I'm a fat piece of shit. I'm not huge, but I'm up to around
> 240. And I thought I was a huge when I was at 180 about
> three years ago. I stand 5'8"

Haha....my twin....5'9" 235lbs. But like you, the sad part is that less than two years ago i was 183lbs....kinda sad really. I guess that's what beer and swiss cake rolls do to you tho......


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[king killa]

> And you may want to read the other side of the story:
>
> http://american.aspartame-info.com/media/scilib.html
> http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
>

and the backfire to that:
<a href=http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html>http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html</a>

The FDA approved it for dry foods, and that was after 8 years of not allowing it at all...


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[Cornellius]

I used to be, well, not fan but I was going in that direction. Anyway, believe me, it's not THAT hard to loose weight. I used to eat all sort of junk : Mc Do, chips, Kentucky,fat things, you know. Then I decided to eat good things. So I stich with the 4 groups, and fruits, yaourt, for collation. I've been doing so for two years now. Sure, I eat popcorn at movies, chips at home while watching a movie (VIVA by Humpty Dumpty, low in fat, awesome) and in 2 months, I got from 198 LBS to 160 LBS. Now I did cardio a lot too to lose the far. You can't be in extra shape just in one day. Don't feel bad for not running on a long distance, just try to push your limits everytimes. Rollerblades, Bicycle, Walk, Fast walk, Jogging, Run, everything is good. I wasn't very active before the last 4 or 5 years, but now I'm in a 42 KM bicycle race each year and I love it. Don't lose hope, trust me, it's not THAT hard.

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[Cornellius]

I'm 5''9 and I weight 160 lbs.

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[Richter X]

I'm 6'2 and weigh about 310 lbs. I'm also diabetic and have high blood pressure and cholesterol, and I'm only 18. I could change my diet, but what my mom cooks usually isn't very heart-healthy. Hamburger Helper, white rice, fried chicken/pork chops/etc. Also, we usually go for the cheapest thing we can get, and most discount stores don't carry low-priced healthy foods. We usually don't go to another town without eating at a restaurant (Perkins, Shoneys, Ryans, etc.). We did, however, stop using sugar and started using something called Sweet Thing. It's basically a generic Sweet'N'Low that comes in a canister instead of little packets. Which means you can make stuff like tea and kool-aid with it.

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[icenine0]

Hmm... ah. That's enough to make me reconsider. Time to look for some Splenda / Stevia sweetened beverages.

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[Goku]

I, too, use fake sugar. Equal. I
> have a box of 2000 packets. Cost me $20, what a bargain.

You do realize that certain types of packets are cancer causing dont you? Im not sure which, but i think Equal is one of them. Aspartame i read has gotten a bad rap.

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[Goku]

I just read in a nutrition newsletter that Stevia is bad for you. It may be natural but it has a very negative effect on your body.

> Hmm... ah. That's enough to make me reconsider. Time to
> look for some Splenda / Stevia sweetened beverages.
>


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[Danoz]

First off, I think I forget to eat most of the time (when I'm at home workin on creating projects)... and I have a hell of a high metabolisom with a ton of energy. Then I'll work out whenever I can and I don't really like pop/sugars/fried foods in excess. I'd actually prefer fruits and vegetables, pasta and lean meats. I do LOVE dark beers though, and coffee (not sure... bad for you?).

So in other words, I'm very weird with my relationship with food. I get hungry on odd schedules and sometimes... forget to get hungry and eat :P--- ah, and when I'm hungry I really gorge.

Somebody I know went on the "South Beach Diet" and it worked. Guess people could try it out if they wanted.

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[icenine0]

Do you have a link? I haven't been able to find anything but good stuff about it on the web.

Here's some positive research:
http://www.steviacanada.com/studies.asphttp://www.steviacanada.com/studies.asp</A>

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[Goku]

Here is the link:

http://www.cspinet.org/nah/05_04/sweet_nothings.pdf

Note: I did not originally see this on the net. I saw it in the print version.
http://www.cspinet.org/nah/05_04/sweet_nothings.pdf
My memory was faulty. There are potential problems found in the limited studies of stevia. Saftey is unknown.

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[GeminiMan]

> I do LOVE dark beers
> though, and coffee (not sure... bad for you?).

No. They'll never stab you in the back as long as you treat 'em with respect. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[Mr. Saturn]

> http://www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html

<a href=http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blasp.htm>Huh.</a> I seriously don't know which side to trust anymore.

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[Dark Macc]

> I'm 6'2 and weigh about 310 lbs.

I don't feel so bad now. 6'5" and 320.

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[Kuikorosu]

Hmm...I'm perfectly happy with my height/weight right now. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm around 5'10" with a body weight of around 150(?). The best description I can give is when some chick said to me one day, "You're not too skinny, and you're not fat, you seem to be just right in the middle."

I eat pretty shitty, too. I have a high metabolism. I really, really try to watch what I eat, but sometimes it's hard. I know this is probably going to kick me in the ass someday. <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>

Anyways...congrats with finding success with some exercise. Sounds like a good deal.

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[icenine0]

I'm getting rid of the stuff. I'm now fairly convinced it is t3h s4t4n.

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.htmlDiscussion of Formaldehyde / Methanol Toxicity</a>
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/adverse.txtPersonal accounts of Aspartame Toxicity</a>
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/100.htmlAnalysis of Independent Aspartame Research</a>

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[Goku]

> I'm 6'2 and weigh about 310 lbs. I'm also diabetic and have
> high blood pressure and cholesterol, and I'm only 18. I
> could change my diet, but

nothing. Cook for yourself. Veggies and fruit. Its not really hard. Reduce portion sizes and cut out the pop, chips and chocolate bars.
Frozen Veggies are inexpensive. I dont know if they are available in the states but a company named Ferma makes a great mix. The best i have had so far.

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[Mr. Saturn]

> I'm getting rid of the stuff. I'm now fairly convinced it
> is t3h s4t4n.

Now I'm convinced.

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[The 9th Sage]

> Let's be honest. Most people are overweight and unhealthy.
> I'm not HUGE, but I am a little soggy around the
> mid-section....and I have NO endurance at all.

I wouldn't call myself thin, but I'm more fit now than I was. My current job has seen to that. I lift lots of heavy thing, walk about all day (and if you've ever tried pushing twenty shopping carts, and turning them in through the entrance of the store without hitting anything, it can be quite hard).

My arms and legs have muscles...now I need to work on teh gut. :P
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[SpaceTiger]

> I'm getting rid of the stuff. I'm now fairly convinced it
> is t3h s4t4n.

Good thing the stuff tastes like shit anyway. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

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[icenine0]

http://www.aspartametruth.freeservers.com/http://www.aspartametruth.freeservers.com/</a>
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/1998/sep16/aspartame.htmlMIT Aspartame Study</A>

Wait? Is it safe?

Now I'm not sure again! AARRGGH!

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[Mr. Saturn]

> Wait? Is it safe?
>
> Now I'm not sure again! AARRGGH!
>

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It seems a gray area when it comes to artificial sweeteners.

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[Canar]

> Wait? Is it safe?

This is where you judge the data based on the source. Coming from MIT? I'd bet it's probably pretty likely an MIT study is accurate.

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[SpaceTiger]

> This is where you judge the data based on the source. Coming
> from MIT? I'd bet it's probably pretty likely an MIT study
> is accurate.

Probably, though there are often internal disagreements on things like this. For example, you'll likely find research groups from big name schools disagreeing on global warming.

It's a safe bet the study was done well, but that's no guarantee that you're getting the whole story.

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[king killa]

I don't know about MIT, but I wouldn't trust www . aspartametruth .<font size=4> freeservers</font> . com

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[StormsInHerEyes]

One, your kirstypoo is a sugar addict..
Two,..

IS EVERYBODY TALLER THAN ME!!!
damn..
I'm only 5'6.....

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[IceWolf20]

> One, your kirstypoo is a sugar addict..
> Two,..
>
> IS EVERYBODY TALLER THAN ME!!!
> damn..
> I'm only 5'6.....


Well, you are a woman....and you are over the average height for American women (5'4"), so you're doing alright....


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[SwampGas]

Some day I will profess my undying love for you. Some day.

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[StormsInHerEyes]

> Some day I will profess my undying love for you. Some day.
>
Until then I"m just the bitch that does your laundry and cooks for you

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[Lobster Cowboy]

> Until then I"m just the bitch that does your laundry and
> cooks for you

dude, i'd take that

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[SwampGas]

> Until then I"m just the bitch that does your laundry and
> cooks for you

You got mad when I got you an engagement ring from wally world. It's all I could afford.

If you live together for 7 years, you're married by law. We have 6 to go <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[Goku]

> You got mad when I got you an engagement ring from wally
> world. It's all I could afford.

Dump her ass! Dosnt she know that it is the thought that counts. Man, you slave all those hours just to buy her that ring and she gets ANGRY! Gee, what a spoiled little b*tch. Your to good to her!

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[StormsInHerEyes]

You also got proposed to me at mcdonalds and when I said I didn't know what to say
and I quote
you said
"Well shit or get off the pot"

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[SwampGas]

> You also got proposed to me at mcdonalds and when I said I
> didn't know what to say
> and I quote
> you said
> "Well shit or get off the pot"

But after the big fight we had the makeup sex was great. <img src=smilies/liefde.gif>

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[WhyteKnight]

There are natural non caloric sweeteners like stevia that pose no risk at all to very little risk, so really I dont see the point of even bothering with artificial sweeteners that taste like ass anyhow. This is like the deal with sassafras and its banning as a flavoring agent. Saffrol, the substance which was made from sassafras and used as a flavoring agent, is carcinogenic. Saffrol's primary use was in root beer. It is undeniably carcinogenic and was banned in commercial use, but the hare brained part of it is that in order for your body to accumulate enough saffrol to cause any problems, you would have to consume 24 gallons of root beer, EVERY DAY, for a good many years. Its kind of a well intentioned but not well thought out thing.

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[cbxweb]

all you guys are FAT, but Im PHAT! Im 6'2" and I weigh like 115lbs! beat that

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[Fla Flash]

Hmm. You got me by three inches, but I've got you by 65 pounds.
This is the lowest my weight's been in years. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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[Xeon3D]

Shit! I don't feel like getting a calculator here, but I'm 1.93m tall and weight 85 Kg. (Sorry Metric Units - I'm European). And I've never ever got fat even eating as much sugar in food as I did some years ago. (mind my english it's 5.32 AM here and I found nothing better to do than post here on ZMD). <img src=smilies/upeyes.gif>

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