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JadussD
01-13-2004, 11:56 PM
i haven't been able to run for a year without being in excruciating pain. i can walk in a perfectly normal manner, but I have this benign tumor on my femur bone which decided to grow right where it locks into my hip. if i take naproxen, it doesn't hurt at all (unless I run), but the inability to run or do anything that might put pressure on it has been really annoying. i remember this one guy put me in a situation where i was basically _obligated_ to kick his ass (you don't rip someone off and then tell them to their face that you just ripped them off, ("what are you going to do about it?"), and not expect to get away with it without an asskicking), and I couldn't do it, even though he was this tiny little punk kid with a mouth bigger than the circumference of his waist, there was no way i could do it. so i looked like an idiot who's a foot taller than this kid, and I couldn't kick his ass. it would have been like playing street fighter 2, and setting the handicap all the way up for me, and all the way down for him. so I'm getting minor outpatient surgery on the 16th which will remedy this situation, and i will be able to run, AND hopefully, I'll run into this kid on the street when he's alone, and THEN he'll get an ass-kicking.

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fairykiller
01-14-2004, 02:04 AM
> i remember this one guy put me
> in a situation where i was basically _obligated_ to kick his
> ass

When I first read that I expected you to provide some really good reason (such as self defense) for feeling like you had to be physically violent to some kid.

JadussD
01-14-2004, 03:18 AM
> When I first read that I expected you to provide some really
> good reason (such as self defense) for feeling like you had
> to be physically violent to some kid.

OH NO WE MUST GET ALONG, EVEN WHEN PEOPLE TAKE MONEY FROM YOU, AND DON'T GIVE YOU WHAT YOU PAID THEM FOR, AND THEN LAUGH IN YOUR FACE AND ADMIT THAT THEY RIPPED YOU OFF, AND POINT OUT WHAT A SCUZZLE YOU ARE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, AND THEN LIE AND SAY THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WILL KILL YOU IF YOU KEEP BOTHERING THEM, OH NO, WE MUST BE PACIFISTS. WE MUST NOT DEFEND OUR HONOR, WE MUST BOW DOWN AND TAKE IT UP THE FUCKING ASS WHEN PEOPLE FUCK US OVER, AND THEN WE MUST BE PEACEFUL AND JOIN HANDS IN AN IDEAL WORLD.

And now, the lyrics to Imagine, the work of a deluded idealist, who spoke to a generation of deluded idealists, before they realized they were deluded idealists and then proceeded to become the worst generation of people to ever walk this Earth:

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

What a shitty vision. Oh sure, great if you buy into humanism or other bastard offsprings of Christianity. But to see a world that remains absolutely still (no conflict, everyone gets along) is to see a world that's given up! Yeah, sure, people like me ruin it for everyone else who just wants to live their life and be as kind to others as possible on the way. But at least I know that _I_ can see the value in darkness AND light, to not follow blindly into the shining light of stagnation and decay, to examine the world in a non-teleological manner. We can move forward or grind to a stand-still, or go backward, or any place in between. What is "forward"? Who knows? There's nothing teleological about nature, which we are a part of. We can not all get along. We should not all get along. If someone rips me off, they will feel my wrath as best I can provide.

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Octocrook
01-14-2004, 06:42 AM
Cool...I'll remember all that when I come beat the shit out of you! <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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JadussD
01-14-2004, 06:49 AM
> Cool...I'll remember all that when I come beat the shit out
> of you!
>

1) You missed the point.
2) You won't.

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Isildur
01-14-2004, 06:51 AM
> And now, the lyrics to Imagine, the work of a deluded
> idealist, who spoke to a generation of deluded idealists,

True... It's a good song, though. =P

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Octocrook
01-14-2004, 06:52 AM
> 1) You missed the point.

No I didn't. I intentionally chose not to read anything from that post and instead say that I would kick your ass.

> 2) You won't.

Says you. Who knows really. All I can say is that I pity whoever I would ever get into a physical fight with...with all my pent up anger, I'd probably kill the person accidentally.

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JadussD
01-14-2004, 07:00 AM
> > 1) You missed the point.
>
> No I didn't. I intentionally chose not to read anything
> from that post and instead say that I would kick your ass.

If you didn't read the post at all, you obviously didn't get the point. FYI, that post was about how I have a small army of Angolan mercenaries I've hired to ambush people who want to kick my ass with stun guns, who then tie up that person, and finally throw them to a pack of horses who have been trained from birth to sodomize humans.

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Octocrook
01-14-2004, 07:48 AM
> If you didn't read the post at all, you obviously didn't get
> the point. FYI, that post was about how I have a small army
> of Angolan mercenaries I've hired to ambush people who want
> to kick my ass with stun guns, who then tie up that person,
> and finally throw them to a pack of horses who have been
trained from birth to sodomize humans.

Shucks...I'll never miss one of your posts again!

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SpaceTiger
01-14-2004, 09:10 AM
> What a shitty vision. Oh sure, great if you buy into
> humanism or other bastard offsprings of Christianity. But to
> see a world that remains absolutely still (no conflict,
> everyone gets along) is to see a world that's given up!

Beats living in a world in which our radioactive remains lay scattered about the ground. There were times when this kind of attitude could be considered healthy for a society, but the advent of things like nuclear weapons have made this attitude obsolete. If we don't learn to get along, at least at the highest levels, we're gonna destroy ourselves. With half the world pursuing the dominance of their religion/government/ideology and the other half spouting Nietzschian bullshit like this, I don't hold out much hope for the future.

Yes, there is value in aggression, particularly when your alternative is destruction, but most of the time it causes more problems than it solves. I've never physically attacked anybody and I don't think I've ever needed to. I would only fight if me or somebody I care about was in danger of harm. People who taunt you or rip you off usually lead pretty pathetic lives and that, for me, is revenge enough in of itself.


> Yeah, sure, people like me ruin it for everyone else who
> just wants to live their life and be as kind to others as
> possible on the way. But at least I know that _I_ can see
> the value in darkness AND light, to not follow blindly into
> the shining light of stagnation and decay, to examine the
> world in a non-teleological manner.

And what exactly is the value in beating up some kid? What have you gained? Honor? That's certainly an empty concept. I'm surprised that you buy into it. I can tell you what you've potentially lost. You've lost security, in that this kid or somebody else could decide to come after you or somebody you care about, looking for their own revenge. Also, you may further injure yourself in the process. In a worst case scenario, you could actually cause the kid some permanent harm and face a lawsuit or at least a lifetime of guilt.


> We can move forward or
> grind to a stand-still, or go backward, or any place in
> between. What is "forward"? Who knows? There's nothing
> teleological about nature, which we are a part of. We can
> not all get along. We should not all get along. If someone
> rips me off, they will feel my wrath as best I can provide.

This all just sounds to me like, "I can do what I want." You appeal to abstract concepts such as honor in order to defend your brute impulses, yet dismiss the equally dogmatic principles of the society in which you live. Short story: massive rationalization. I don't see any reason why I should buy into your pseudointellectual ramblings anymore than I should buy into that of the pope. I hold by my principles because they give me and the rest of humanity a chance for a future. I only see anarchy down the road that you're paving, and I just don't want to live that way.

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JadussD
01-14-2004, 07:55 PM
> pseudointellectual ramblings

thank you. i've been waiting to be dubbed a pseudo-intellectual for a long time now. i'm going to make it my title, actually.

your point is better written than mine, although it seems to miss the fact that i never, with the exception of that one post where i was on massive amounts of drugs (the ideas of which i retracted upon re-reading in the morning), advocated placing in power anyone who would make petty wars that threaten mankind. it's more of a personal ethos that would filter to all levels of society, but necessarily be tempered by caution when dealing with large, shiny nuclear weapons.. this is where honor comes in: honor is useful. that's the only reason i give it any value. sure, no inherent value, it's a concept. i'm starting to give it more practical value though: is it honorable to destroy an enemy with nuclear weapons, without giving him a chance? no. is it "moral"? mention hiroshima to many americans. you'll get a very moral justification. honor is about the preservation of strength. morality is...well, blah. you know what i'm going to say, so i'm not going to waste my time saying it.

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fairykiller
01-14-2004, 08:01 PM
>If someone
> rips me off, they will feel my wrath

Ok <img src=smilies/laff.gif>
I was just saying you don't have to beat him up in order to not get along. But hey, do whatever is important to you. Sorry if I upset you... don't beat me... pleeaase...

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puduhead
01-14-2004, 08:03 PM
Good points. I share similar views regarding honor. I don't think WOMD have anything to do with it.

I see it as a protection of individuals, by an individual. A personal thing.

Once you group a bunch of people up against another bunch of people, do they even know what they are fighting for? Would they go to the lengths they do, were it only a personal thing? I doubt it.

As a young teenager, I was mugged in an inner city area of California. I wasn't injured, they just stold my money and my peace of mind. After that incident, I felt a personal conviction to NEVER allow that to happen again, to myself or people closest to me, if I can help it.

I don't get scared now when I am in situations with questionable saftey. Because that level of inner violence is there, pent up and ready to unleash. I hope I never have to do that. But I will if the situation calls for it, without hesitation.

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fairykiller
01-14-2004, 08:06 PM
> I hope I never have
> to do that. But I will if the situation calls for it,
> without hesitation.

Being attacked is definitely a situation that calls for it, I respect people who have the courage and learned ability to protect themselves physically as well as emotionally.

Being ripped off by some apparently harmless kid on the other hand...

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puduhead
01-14-2004, 08:09 PM
> Being ripped off by some apparently harmless kid on the
> other hand...

Well, I don't consider him harmless if he is ripping people off. Also consider that this person could be doing the same thing to those without the means to defend and protect themselves from him, i.e. someone smaller or without enough courage.

So in my opinion, JadussD could put an end to that cycle by shutting him down.

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fairykiller
01-14-2004, 08:18 PM
> So in my opinion, JadussD could put an end to that cycle by
> shutting him down.

Beating someone up isn't shutting them down. You would have a point if beating him up was a guarantee that he would never act that way with anyone again. But we all know that it doesn't work that way.

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Dark Macc
01-14-2004, 08:23 PM
> So in my opinion, JadussD could put an end to that cycle by
> shutting him down.

Agreed. <img src=smilies/werd.gif>

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fairykiller
01-14-2004, 08:29 PM
> I've never physically attacked anybody and I don't think I've ever needed to.

No, you haven't needed to.

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SpaceTiger
01-15-2004, 05:25 PM
> thank you. i've been waiting to be dubbed a
> pseudo-intellectual for a long time now. i'm going to make
> it my title, actually.

Sorry, I think the stress is getting to me. I've been acting like a jerk to everybody. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif


> never advocated
> placing in power anyone who would make petty wars that
> threaten mankind.

The point I was trying to make was that if everybody followed your philosophy, we would have nothing but leaders like that. It's very easy to say that we'd make an exception with nuclear weapons, but realistically, do you think we would?


> it's more of a personal ethos that would
> filter to all levels of society, but necessarily be tempered
> by caution when dealing with large, shiny nuclear weapons..

Your ethos does not lend itself to caution when followed through in full. The slightest injustice or attack would lead to full retaliation (supported in full by the general public). Actually, this isn't too far from the way America already is.


> this is where honor comes in: honor is useful. that's the
> only reason i give it any value. sure, no inherent value,
> it's a concept. i'm starting to give it more practical value
> though: is it honorable to destroy an enemy with nuclear
> weapons, without giving him a chance? no.

You make an excellent point, but I'm forced to question your definition of honor. You do think it's honorable to beat up a kid who doesn't have a chance against you, but not to nuke a country that doesn't have against chance against you? That seems inconsistent.

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