Good Enough Diploma?

[decaheximal]

...I think not. Or at least I would hope not. Well, not even. I wish not.

I was finally able to test for my GED this morning, much to my satisfaction. I had been on a waiting list for several months before my test date, you see. And of course there was also that horrible application process, but I'm not really going to get into any of that since it's mostly the county's fault, and I despise my county with a seething vengeance that knows no place in this particular post.

Basically, I had one valid complaint about the test. It was worthless. Complete, utter, and absolute trash. In fact, I don't feel that I can personally conjur up enough filthy garbage to speak about that good for nothing exam.

Why do I say that? The content was crap. The whole of the test was a rather large joke with no punchline. It featured questions like...

"560 people show up for a concert. If the building is at 7/8 capacity, what is the maximum?" Uh, gee, 640? I'm glad I didn't fold in the clutch there. Pathetic.

(A graph is given showing the values of two variables over time. They clearly intersect three times.) "How many times do A and B intersect?" Hmm... could it be... THREE? I should be thankful I didn't suffer a brain hemorrhage on that one. Weak.

"Write an essay on the following topic: Why is television a good thing?" A... 'good thing?' That's a terribly formulated prompt. I don't agree with that statement in the least and I was able to write a complete two page essay in twenty minutes. Harmless.

Most of the remaining questions were similar in style and difficulty with those presented.

I had eight hours to complete the test; I did so in four-and-a-half. I don't even think I ran through the test in any particular hurry, and I was the first one out of there. Finally, this brings me to my main point.

If what I just did today can prove that I'm at or above high school graduate level, and it takes four years of schooling to attain that level of knowledge... WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT AMERICA? I didn't pay an iota of attention to any of the garbage that spewed forth to me from high school. I didn't even study for this test, what I would have assumed to be the mother of them all.

So, what did I learn today? Nothing, but I was able to reinforce my long-held belief that I couldn't rely on school to further my education, a belief that has long existed in a state of limbo due to outside coercion from friends, family, and elders.

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[Disch]

I've known people to fail that test. I tested out of HS too... and I was equally shocked at how pathetic the test was.

This is a great example of why our public education system is archaic and doesn't work. If people struggle with that test... we need to fucking rethink how we're teaching our kids... if we ARE even teaching our kids.

Public schools try to drill knowledge into kids brains by throwing them in institutions built like prisons, yelling out a brief desciption of something, then forcing the kids to repeat the process 500 million times. Not a suprise, most people don't learn this way. And trying to do this to a lot of kids will be met with resistance... which is why there's such a high drop-out rate.

Public school is bullshit. I never liked it. It doesn't teach you jack. Your grades don't reflect how smart you are or how much you learn... they reflect how well you fit into the mold. It's a shame so much of your future relys on your grades.

It's a shame too... I actually had an interest in a lot of the stuff they were trying to teach in HS (like upper level math and stuff). But I hated the classes. I skipped school... failed, and eventually dropped out. I'd love to learn the stuff... but I'd sooner eat shit then step inside of those classrooms again.

This country really NEEDS to do a massive overhaul of it's education system. But that won't happen anytime soon =/.

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[SamIAm]

Dude, that's amazing. I took the GED on the 5th of this month, and I saw every question you just listed. We even got the same essay question. Crazy.

But yeah, that test was a complete waste in all regards. EVERY math problem worked out to be a whole number. The langauge portions were as difficult as being able to read, write, and speak natural English. The Science section GAVE you the freaking answer somewhere in the information before the questions. I don't mean it provided enough information to deduce the answer, I mean the answer was printed right there, almost staring at you. Lastly, the Social Studies part wasn't much more than common sense about the nature of culture and society.

I too finished the test ahead of everyone else in the room. I also would be shocked if I missed more than 5 questions out of all 240(?) on the exam. I could've passed that thing with no trouble when I was in middle school.

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[JadussD]

> So, what did I learn today? Nothing, but I was able to
> reinforce my long-held belief that I couldn't rely on school
> to further my education, a belief that has long existed in a
> state of limbo due to outside coercion from friends, family,
> and elders.

Congratulations man, almost makes me wish I'd dropped out when I was 16 and just gotten it over with. Good luck with your diploma man, people being the stupid fucks they are might look at you as being intellectually equal to them now (hah! the irony!)

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[blackize]

Shit, and I wasted four years in high school for a minimum wage job at Dunkin' Donuts. I really wish I went for the test when I was a sophmore so I could've gotten out of that dump and got on with my life.

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[shawn]

I really think most of high school is wasting time to keep teachers in work since most of what I learned was over repeated and I could have done by age 15 at the latest. Maybe if we did the self paced schooling like some colleges do we'ld have a bunch of 15 year olds in college and 18 year old graduating instead of falling asleep in class because of outmoded teaching techniques. A big bonus to self paced schooling is that it would save the towns around this country literally billions in total savings and that would also stimulate the economy since those tax dollars could be used by the taxpayers instead of overspending teachers unions wasting money left and right like all other parts of our government on unneeded personel doing makework repititious jobs. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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[pipes]

>throwing them in institutions built like prisons

I know this one metro school here that has a built in polize station!

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[World_Demise]

The high school I went to has, last time I checked, a police officer stationed in there during school hours. That place has become so fucked up with drugs and the shit related to drugs. And to think, at one time that school was one of the best in the province.

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[KaoruDono]

I took the test myself and I was shocked by how easy it was. My mom kept saying that everything on it was supposed to be harder but I found it very easy. I was even able to do the math part which has been my worst subject since 5th grade. I passed the test with flying colors. It is kinda a joke but it's a good thing to have to advance in the world today.

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[blackize]

My old high school has around two or three uniformed police officers at all times. And you aren't permitted access into the building unless you have an appointment with an administrator or if you work with the school. After I graduated, the school also added cameras in the parking lot and in practically every corner of the building. During my junior year in said school, there were two drug raids with k-9 units and everything. It so happens that on both days I was home from school. It's funny that this shit happens at my old school considering it's in East Bumblefuck, New Jersey (also known as West Milford).

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[shawn]

> It's funny that this shit happens at
> my old school considering it's in East Bumblefuck, New
> Jersey (also known as West Milford).

I went through you're town several times when I was stationed in the navy at Lakehurst NJ. Probably when I was going to a rollerskating rink with one of my friends back then. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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[Narvick]

I have a GED. I scored really high, which is good since the test is so damn easy.

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[Kuikorosu]

> This country really NEEDS to do a massive overhaul of it's
> education system. But that won't happen anytime soon =/.

I've heard a theory that our failing school system is no mistake. How else can you have a country that can't differentiate Saddam Hussein from Osama Bin Laden, or thinks that Iraq had ties to Al Queda, or even thinks the fucking sun revolves around the Earth. How else can you explain the blind patriotism from people who support our soldiers but can't point out Iraq on a map?

Intelligence makes people hard to control. Knowledge truly is power, and what leader wants too many powerful, free thinkers running amok?

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[Isildur]

> I went through you're town several times

Oh, so that's why there were a couple of drug raids there. <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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[JCJones86]

> How else can you have a country that can't
differentiate Saddam Hussein from Osama Bin Laden, or thinks
that Iraq had ties to Al Queda, or even thinks the fucking
sun revolves around the Earth. How else can you explain the
blind patriotism from people who support our soldiers but
can't point out Iraq on a map?

The archaic theory that the sun revolves around Earth was disproved back in Galileo's day. Maybe you do need a history lesson...

As for blind patriotism, I can fully understand it. Why shouldn't you appreciate that people have died and will continue to die for your freedom? I haven't heard you wanting to join the army, so I'm assuming you're not so willing to do it. So appreciate what the soldiers are doing, not what the politicians are sending them to do.

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[JCJones86]

> The high school I went to has, last time I checked, a police
> officer stationed in there during school hours.

Yeah, I've noticed this to become pretty commonplace since the Columbine incident. It's sad that schools need police officers. I remember a week after the news of Columbine. We had three bomb threats within two weeks. The schools were cleared out for at least a class period every time. And they eventually found out they made the threats to have a chance to leave school... Lame.

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[fairykiller]

I think he was pointing out America's seeming lack of knowledge about the world. In my high school curriculum in India (not that I'm defending India's education system, it would be very hard to do that) - but we learned about different religions, world affairs, when we did geography we studied maps of the world and different continents, when we studied history it was mostly the history of both India and the world. Unfortunately this might change, since we now have a corrupt government that wants to convert our history text books to reflecting its own religous (anti-Islam) ideology. So anyway, my point was that I never cease to be amazed at many Americans' lack of knowledge about the world outside America. It would be excusable in a tribe from the Congo that had no communication with the outside world. It isn't excusable in a country where even the 'poor' have television sets and cars. A 30 year old medical assistant from a city (Atlanta) asks me whether I own an elephant in Bombay. And that hasn't been the only time. Young, educated people have asked me where I land when I fly to India, and if it's the only airport there. I don't like to think badly of these people, I realize they were just being nice and honestly curious, but this is stuff that people with a high school education (or a TV) should know. I'm willing to bet that during this war a great deal of people (both pro-war and anti-war) chose their stance for their own one-sided reasons without knowing anything about the history, the geography, or the politics of the Middle East. In India, a decent amount of that information would have been included in our high school curriculum (or the educated people would have picked it up from news reports which tend to be largely global). I'm sorry if I come across as slamming America in general, I don't mean to generalize, I'm well aware that lots of people aren't like this, so please don't flame me for that. I'm just pointing out something I have noticed. As a brown person, I literally usually have an hour of extra security to go through at the airport, in spite of the fact that I am Indian - I don't expect this to be immediately apparent to the untrained eye, but I'm carrying my passport for all to see. It's ridiculous - when white people visit Bombay, I can assure you that the majority of Indians don't automatically think they are American. It's just about having a simple picture of the world.

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[pipes]

>As a brown person, I literally usually have an hour of extra security to go through at the airport.

Are you for real! I can't belive that and yet I can. Thats just so fucked up. What the hell. Why Why?<img src=smilies/banghead.gif>

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[SpaceTiger]

> The archaic theory that the sun revolves around Earth was
> disproved back in Galileo's day. Maybe you do need a
> history lesson...

I think his point is that most of America needs a history lesson. I'm sure that he knows what revolves around what.


> As for blind patriotism, I can fully understand it. Why
> shouldn't you appreciate that people have died and will
> continue to die for your freedom? I haven't heard you
> wanting to join the army, so I'm assuming you're not so
> willing to do it. So appreciate what the soldiers are
> doing, not what the politicians are sending them to do.

Again, I think he's talking about people blindly supporting the politicians because of "patriotism." You can appreciate your soldiers without agreeing what they're fighting for.

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[Kuikorosu]

> The archaic theory that the sun revolves around Earth was
> disproved back in Galileo's day. Maybe you do need a
> history lesson...

You think I'm joking?

From a science article detailing a survey given to Americans from gallop:

As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun, or does the sun revolve around the earth?

Earth revolves around the sun 79%
Sun revolves around the earth 18%
No opinion 3%

You can find the article http://net127.com/archives/000083.htmlhere</a>

There was another article out of a science magazine that basically detailed the same thing, so don't go thinking this is an isolated occurance.

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[Isildur]

> You can find the article here

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.

So much for your theory that Americans are unusually ignorant.

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[IceWolf20]

> >As a brown person, I literally usually have an hour of
> extra security to go through at the airport.
>
> Are you for real! I can't belive that and yet I can. Thats
> just so fucked up. What the hell. Why Why?

Well, India is close to Pakistan, and Pakistani mountains is where those Afghani "elusives" are, so therefore, all they have to do is head through the mountains, sneak through Kashmir and slide into India, steal some nukes and fly them to America....and of course fairykiller is perfect for the job....so they have to make sure she's not trying to blow us up....espcially with a name including "killer"

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[Dark Macc]

> So much for your theory that Americans are unusually
> ignorant.

It's called selective reading, buddy. He can only read what he wants to read.

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[Octocrook]

> ....and of course fairykiller is perfect for the
> job....so they have to make sure she's not trying to blow us
> up....espcially with a name including "killer"

But that theory would only hold up if she were going to San Francisco! <img src=smilies/cwm27.gif>

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[JCJones86]

> You think I'm joking?

I would only hope so.

> Earth revolves around the sun 79%
> Sun revolves around the earth 18%
> No opinion 3%

Think of society as a whole. Think of how many driveling idiots aren't going to take a quick street corner poll seriously. Percentage-wise, that sounds about right. 18% of people trying to be funny and 3% of people that just don't give a damn and walk past them spouting "Not interested." Find me one educated person that seriously believes that the sun revolves around Earth and I'll give you a donkey that shits gold.

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[JCJones86]

> I'm sure that he knows what revolves around what.

I wouldn't doubt it for a second. He's very intelligent, but I can't comprehend anybody believing that America is full of people that haven't gotten past elementary school.

> Again, I think he's talking about people blindly supporting
> the politicians because of "patriotism."

If he did, my apologies. I didn't catch that.

> You can appreciate
> your soldiers without agreeing what they're fighting for.

To quote my initial post: "So appreciate what the soldiers are
doing, not what the politicians are sending them to do."

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[JCJones86]

Fair enough, fairykiller. Although I must point out that any country's own history lesson is going to be biased towards themselves. Do we, as Americans, study India's past and means of society? Not that I've come across thus far. I wouldn't expect any other country's history lesson to contain such pertinent information for themselves such as the Watergate Scandal, the seccession of the South from the Union, or any other US event.

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[Kuikorosu]

Hello, flames!

I'm sick of this board.

I probably won't be coming back.

So long.

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[SpaceTiger]

> Hello, flames!
>
> I'm sick of this board.

Yeah, this place has sucked lately. I don't know if it's holiday stress, but everybody seems to be jumping over everybody else's shit lately. People can't seem to express themselves without resorting to "you're stupid."

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[Dark Macc]

> I probably won't be coming back.

Sayonara.

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[fairykiller]

> Fair enough, fairykiller. Although I must point out that
> any country's own history lesson is going to be biased
> towards themselves.

Of course. Basically, I think every kid out of high school in the US should know that people don't ride elephants in big cities in developing countries today, except perhaps for entertainment purposes. And every brown person is not Middle Eastern, even if he has a turban on. This type of knowledge doesn't really have to be specific or detailed - a little international perspective is all it takes.
IMO certain major aspects of world history really should be taught (not given precedence over the country's own history, but taught alongside) - for example, it's not important for an American to know that India gained independence from British rule in 1947, but it is important in a global way to know that the British had colonies, and to know just enough about world affairs and history to be in touch with major events from a more global point of view. I have no idea how the high school curriculum is structured here, I don't even think that high schools should have the entire burden. The media is so powerful - a little more unbiased international news wouldn't hurt.

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[Lillymon]

> Hello, flames!

> I'm sick of this board.

> I probably won't be coming back.

> So long.

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Because we don't like assprints on our doors dammit!

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[Dark Macc]

> Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Because we
> don't like assprints on our doors dammit!

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[MooglyGuy]

EDIT: You see, my original post contained a jab consisting of likening your situation to the Pot calling the Kettle black due to the fact that you can't spell gallup, the proper name of the polling organization, correctly. Given the fact that you're probably not going to read it since you've decided to leave the boards, I decided instead to take it out for the most part and replace it with a fond farewell. http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/smilies/upeyes.gif

[Crazy_MYKL]

> The high school I went to has, last time I checked, a police
> officer stationed in there during school hours. That place
> has become so fucked up with drugs and the shit related to
> drugs. And to think, at one time that school was one of the
> best in the province.
>

And when you treat students like animals, what are they expected to act like?

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[Isildur]

> people don't ride elephants in
> big cities in developing countries today,

Aw, there go my travel plans. <img src=smilies/cry.gif>

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[loonyme]

So anyway, my point was that I never cease to be amazed at many Americans' lack of knowledge about the world
outside America.


i more than agree with this. there is a reason why a lot of asians end up finishing studies in the US much faster than the time alloted and why they find taking double degrees so easy. its not like they are smarter just that its so undemanding for them.
while the US education would be a boon to a less than average student it offfers little to others and people get labelled as prodigies too often.
i find that people in the US have more information but either its limited to their world or it lacks perspective.

ps: fair, the education system here is a long way off from being taken over by fundamentalists-there are too many good people here who just won't allow it-these are just incidents albeit sorry ones and to be eliminated.
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[punjman]

Question.


Mind you, this is only because of curiosity, Im not trying to flame, or whatever.

If you were that smart (which I don't doubt, btw) why did you go for the GED? Why not have just graduated? Highschool would have been a breeze for you.

Secondly, be glad it was that easy for you.. easy passing grade, you're done. Got the GED (congrats btw), with no trouble. Why are you upset?

I guess its my inner student talking, I was a C student in highschool, but I could have been an A student if i wanted, but I figured, hey a 69.9 is just a 70. Pass. I never really cared, and even then, when I graduated, it was on the lowest "rank" or whatever. There were a few different levels, or whatever. The basic, the Advanced (what mst people graduate on) and the Honors. I was a few months away from Graduation, and learned I was missing a year of foreign language. But the basic level didnt require that. Change. Grad, done, and I never even had to see the damn spanish teacher for another year.

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[IceWolf20]

> The
> media is so powerful - a little more unbiased international
> news wouldn't hurt.

Can I get a hell yeah? I'm just glad that I at least get BBC news. It would be nice to get other countries news, but its hard enought to figure out what they're saying on the Arabic rug selling station....I mean come on....they're rugs, and I still can't glean what they're trying to say.


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[fairykiller]

> ps: fair, the education system here is a long way off from
> being taken over by fundamentalists-there are too many good
> people here who just won't allow it-these are just incidents
> albeit sorry ones and to be eliminated.

I'm glad to hear that <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>. The last I heard, the BJP was trying to change high school history books, which is just horrible - do you know if they succeeded? It was quite a while ago. The education ministry frightens me. It's really good to hear that it isn't pervasive.
Isn't it odd how the history books we studied from were actually friendly/neutral towards the British? Most of the venom was reserved for Aurangzeb. I wonder how bad he actually was - probably pretty damn bad.
Oh, and has that man died yet (you know, first name Bal)? He's going to live forever or something.

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[decaheximal]

> If you were that smart (which I don't doubt, btw) why did
> you go for the GED? Why not have just graduated?
> Highschool would have been a breeze for you.

Fair question. Unfortunately, I really can't quite put my highschool experience into your perspective, I can only explain what I saw.

The staff was littered with stuck-up jagoffs concerned only with pushing the envelope on the definition of sadism to new limits. Most of the people that didn't fit that category were the overly-helpful yet useless old women without self-esteem who could do no wrong. Anyone left was a helpless wreck that ended up teaching at some forgettable small town school for a laughable wage. These sorts of people do not make good teachers. Needless to say, I didn't get along very well.

I didn't get along very well with the student body either. I had my hobbies, my interests, I did my thing. They had theirs. I can't butcher my fellow classmates for not being more like myself, I would expect them to be doing what they enjoy. Still, it was an extremely isolating experience for me. The more people I socialized with, the less I realized I had in common with anyone, really. I just could not stand these people. If it wasn't flunking classes five days a week to drop extacy every weekend, or constantly bickering over which gaming magazine had the cutting edge, or whose car had the most power under the hood, it was most certainly straight-edge straight-A straight-jacket type people. It was as though people were incapable of thinking for themselves, of forming their own opinions. I see people do that on the internet every day, why couldn't I find any of these people in reality? Maybe the county puts something in the water, I honestly don't know. Mind you I'm not saying that the people that seemed obsessed with those sorts of things only did so part of the time, they were literally obsessed with these things. Class would literally be interrupted just to confiscate another gaming magazine being passed around or someone bragging about their new ride. Like, all the time. Yes.

As far as the people that just "play dumb" go, I have no comment.

I found that if I just stopped to friggin' look at everything, the whole concept was just wrong. I didn't agree with much of anything in highschool, and I just had to get out of there. There was nothing for me there but a mental straightjacket.

So maybe there's some magical curriculum that the privileged master class is invited to. One where these sorts of things aren't the norm. I'm almost willing to accept that, because really, I am not kidding about anything I'm saying here. The high school experience is fucked up, and someone somewhere obviously wants it that way, because there's no way that this sort of rampant idiocy could otherwise be left unchecked.

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[Isildur]

> So, don't get mad get even. If you hate the education
> system, MOVE to another state or county. If you can't, deal
> with it for now and find loopholes in that system that you
> can use to your advantages (that is what being a
> politician/lawyer/hispanic/jew is all about ;)).
>

Huh? <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>
I'm afraid you lost me there...

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[wingless]

> Basically, I had one valid complaint about the test. It was
> worthless. Complete, utter, and absolute trash. In fact, I
> don't feel that I can personally conjur up enough filthy
> garbage to speak about that good for nothing exam.

The GED is an 8th grade level test. It is not equal to a diploma. It does not mean that you are at or above a high school level. When you fill out job applications, they ask if you have a GED or HS Diploma. You indicate that you have a GED. It was not meant to be difficult.

I also took a test to get out of HS. They have a test in California called the CHSPE... The California High School Proficiency Exam. It is equal to a diploma (12th grade Level), and you have to be in at least 11th grade to take it. It was a much better alternative to the GED... but I dont know if many other states offer something like that.

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[Narvick]

A GED here in Georgia is considered sort of equal. You take the high school equivalency test. It's not hard at all, but it's hard enough I guess to warrant people studying for it (I didn't)

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[pipes]

Ha. I think teachers are fucked up no matter what public school you go to. In grade school I can remember where I had this teacher and she would just cry randomly. The whole class was like what the fuck looked around and felt sorry for her. It was the strangest thing.

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[SamIAm]

> The GED is an 8th grade level test. It is not equal to a
> diploma. It does not mean that you are at or above a high
> school level. When you fill out job applications, they ask
> if you have a GED or HS Diploma. You indicate that you have
> a GED. It was not meant to be difficult.

8th grade sounds exactly right in terms of difficulty, but I think I've read that for what it's worth, the GED is legally equivelant to a HS diploma, at least on some levels. I could certainly be wrong, though. It's not like either is particularly valuable in most job markets anyway.

> I also took a test to get out of HS. They have a test in
> California called the CHSPE... The California High School
> Proficiency Exam. It is equal to a diploma (12th grade

> Level), and you have to be in at least 11th grade to take
> it. It was a much better alternative to the GED... but I
> dont know if many other states offer something like that.

Wow, I really wish we had that here in Montana, because that's exactly what I would've wanted. As you may have read, I got the 'good enough' myself, and I am now making my way through college. After another 3 years, I'll get an even better piece of paper than the one I could've gotten from high school. I can't wait.<img src=smilies/retard.gif>

I think it's interesting how many people on this board have tested out of high school one way or another. No doubt about it, high school blows.<img src=smilies/sleep.gif>

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